The more I think about it, the more I hope this causes a reshuffle of the registration act. I like it, but IMO the books have really dropped the ball on it.

At this point, I think it's almost guaranteed to, what with the way Marvel's been talking about SI as a "great uniter" much the same way Civil War was a "great divider".

The more I think about it, the more I hope this causes a reshuffle of the registration act. I like it, but IMO the books have really dropped the ball on it.
I don't think they have dropped the ball at all. I believe they never intended for the SHRA to be the permanent status quo.

Here are some SI-related preview solicits for May.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/852/852982p1.html

SECRET INVASION #2 (of 8)
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Penciled by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Cover by GABRIELE DELL'OTTO
Variant by STEVE MCNIVEN
Sketch Variant by STEVE MCNIVEN
The Invasion is here!! The Marvel Universe is in shambles. The Skrull Empire's plan has birthed itself into perfection. It is hero versus hero!! Resurrections and reunions!! Is Tony Stark a Skrull? And is that actually Captain America leading the heroes into a new era?? EXPECT CHANGE!!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

MIGHTY AVENGERS #13 &14
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Penciled by ALEX MALEEV & KHOI PHAM
Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC
SECRET INVASION TIE-INS!
Where has Nick Fury been and who are the new Howling Commandos? It's the debut of all-new characters and some surprising revelations about some classic ones as Nick starts to put his plan to stop the Invasion together. But will it be enough?
The Eisner award-winning team of Bendis and Maleev bring this very important Secret Invasion issue to life.
32 PGS.(each)/Rated A …$2.99 (each)

NEW AVENGERS #41
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Penciled by BILLY TAN
Cover by ALESKI BRICLOT
SECRET INVASION TIE-IN!
The Avengers are trapped in the Savage Land, battling friend and foe. And Spider-Man heads to the one person in the entire place he knows he can trust: Ka-Zar!! But is it really him? This important chapter rewinds the events of the very first New Avengers story and shows how it connects to the Invasion.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

SECRET INVASION: FANTASTIC FOUR #1 (of 3)
Written by ROBERTO AGUIRRE-SACASA
Penciled by BARRY KITSON
Cover by ALAN DAVIS
"NO ONE GETS BACK ALIVE!"
Part 1 (of 3): "Negative Energy"
The invasion has started, and no one in the MU is safe, not even the First Family of Comicdom! Aware that some of the Earth's most advanced technology and weaponry is housed in the Baxter Building, the Skrulls have neutralized the building--by transporting it and its inhabitants straight to the Negative Zone! With one member of the Fantastic Four M.I.A. and another "replaced," it's up to the remaining family members--not to mention Franklin and Val—to get back to our dimension, Skrulls or no Skrulls. But are any of our heroes who they think they are?
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

INCREDIBLE HERCULES #117
Written by GREG PAK & FRED VAN LENTE
Penciled by RAFA SANDOVAL
Cover JOHN ROMITA JR., KLAUS JANSON & DEAN WHITE
SECRET INVASION TIE-IN!
The Greek Goliath gathers the most powerful super-team ever assembled to counter-attack the Skrull gods! Face front, True Believers, and prepare for the pantheon-pounding premiere of... THE GOD SQUAD!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

MS. MARVEL #27
Written by BRIAN REED
Penciled by ANDRES COELHO
Cover by GREG HORN
There is a Skrull in Lightning Storm's midst. There is a secret truth to the life of Ms. Marvel's lover, William Wagner. Something happens between Ms. Marvel and Wonder Man that can never be undone. And an era comes to an explosive end in a pivotal moment in the life of the most important woman in the Marvel Universe.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99
And the covers:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/852/852982/marvels-may-08-first-look-20080218060406727.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/852/852982/marvels-may-08-first-look-20080218060409571.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/852/852982/marvels-may-08-first-look-20080218064945469.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/852/852982/marvels-may-08-first-look-20080218060622112.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/852/852982/marvels-may-08-first-look-20080218060403212.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/852/852982/marvels-may-08-first-look-20080218060422789.jpg
For the interested, the solicit for the new Guardians of the Galaxy is in the link too, along with some other stuff.

I seriously don't know how I'm gonna be able to afford gas by the end of May.

Marvel is fucking killing me.

Looks like Marvel is keeping the tie-ins fairly contained judging by the first 2 months so far.
New and Mighty Avengers are automatic tie-ins as they should be and adding a Spider-Man and Fantastic Four mini instead of interupting both of those flagship books in the middle of major storylines seems like a smart move.

Oh and that Alex Maleev Nova Cover looks amazing and the story sounds even better! If you're not reading Nova you are seriously missing out on comic greatness.

Oh and that Alex Maleev Nova Cover looks amazing and the story sounds even better! If you're not reading Nova you are seriously missing out on comic greatness.

I just read the first trade and four singles of Nova and I'm kicking myself. Seriously, this is an awesome comic. If you love cosmic stuff AT ALL, you'll love this.

Back to Secret Invasion — the Mighty Avengers solicit sounds really cool with Fury putting together a new team to fight the Skrulls. And Spidey meeting Ka-Zar in NA! How amazing is that?

I just read the first trade and four singles of Nova and I'm kicking myself. Seriously, this is an awesome comic. If you love cosmic stuff AT ALL, you'll love this.

Back to Secret Invasion — the Mighty Avengers solicit sounds really cool with Fury putting together a new team to fight the Skrulls. And Spidey meeting Ka-Zar in NA! How amazing is that?

I'm just kinda bummed about the art. I hope the Fury arc is wrapped up when Maleev leaves, because I'm pretty sure when Pham comes on I'm dropping it.

And I so wish that Tan wasn't doing that NA issue.

This is the first time I've actually been nervous about the NA art rotation.

I'm just kinda bummed about the art. I hope the Fury arc is wrapped up when Maleev leaves, because I'm pretty sure when Pham comes on I'm dropping it.

And I so wish that Tan wasn't doing that NA issue.

This is the first time I've actually been nervous about the NA art rotation.

Maleev is probably going to do flashbacks and Pham is going to do the present stuff. Similar to the art chores on books like Captain America and Iron Fist.

Maleev is probably going to do flashbacks and Pham is going to do the present stuff. Similar to the art chores on books like Captain America and Iron Fist.

I hope not. I assumed since it's double shipping that Maleev was doing the first and Pham was doing the second.

It was originally supposed to be 2 Maleev issues in NA.

I'm just kinda bummed about the art. I hope the Fury arc is wrapped up when Maleev leaves, because I'm pretty sure when Pham comes on I'm dropping it.

And I so wish that Tan wasn't doing that NA issue.

This is the first time I've actually been nervous about the NA art rotation.
http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/1040new_storyimage1907677_full.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/1040new_storyimage1907677_full.jpg

Where the heck did you get that? It's manufique.

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/1040new_storyimage1907677_full.jpg

Yeah, I've seen it. Don't really like it. I just don't like Tan.

Yeah, I've seen it. Don't really like it. I just don't like Tan.

The only thing I didn't like about Tan from what I saw in Uncanny X-Men was Emma Frost. Everyone else I loved.

I wonder how that New Avengers issue will fit into the Breakout! story.


Hmmmm. I'll give that a look tonight.

I thought Cheung was supposed to be doing 2 issues of NA.

Where the heck did you get that? It's manufique.
Brevoort's blog.

Yeah, I've seen it. Don't really like it. I just don't like Tan.
Eh, if the stories good I can live with bad art. And this to me isn't bad art :)

Okay, I just took a quick look at New Avengers #5 and #6, the issues that cover most of the Avengers' time in the Savage Land, and I think New Avengers #41 can fit in at two particular times. The first one may be when the Avengers are fighting the Black Widow and her SHIELD agents right after Sauron's been shot down. Everything goes crazy (which jives with what the solicit says) and Spidey seems to be absent in a lot of panels (though he's present in a few too, but he seems to be mostly in the background in those, so I reckon Finch probably drew him in without any sort of specific request from the script).

Another point where I guess it could fit in is right after SHIELD blows up all the Savage Land and SHIELD agents that were carrying out illegal mining operations on the land, I guess, as there's a time jump in between that moment and when we next see the Avengers (which is on the SHIELD helicarrier). Though I now realize it's also possible that NA #41 happened between the moment when the Avengers take Sauron down and the moment they see the mining going on.

MS. MARVEL #27
Written by BRIAN REED
Penciled by ANDRES COELHO
Cover by GREG HORN
There is a Skrull in Lightning Storm's midst. There is a secret truth to the life of Ms. Marvel's lover, William Wagner. Something happens between Ms. Marvel and Wonder Man that can never be undone. And an era comes to an explosive end in a pivotal moment in the life of the most important woman in the Marvel Universe.

Anyone else getting the feeling Wonder Man's outed as a Skrull, and Ms Marvel's pregnant with his baby? Anyone see the series "V"?

Anyone else getting the feeling Wonder Man's outed as a Skrull, and Ms Marvel's pregnant with his baby? Anyone see the series "V"?

That would be so fucked up...

That would be so fucked up...
Yes, and it would be also a repeat of the worst Avengers storyline, ever!

I really, really hope they don't go there.

Yes, and it would be also a repeat of the worst Avengers storyline, ever!

Exactly...

By the way, did anyone ask Bendis in the podcast if he's ever read this thread? I'm suddenly curious to know.

Did everyone see the Ms. Marvel/ Captain Marvel united variant covers that Brian Reed posted here? Should be on the front page somewheres. Very crazy and I can't believe he showed it.

The Captain Marvel/Ms. Marvel variant. God, it's so pretty.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2291/2277436487_fe59db419c_o.jpg

Marvel is pleased to announce that acclaimed artist Terry Dodson will be providing all-new, interconnecting variant covers to two of the most hotly anticipated Secret Invasion: The Infiltration tie-ins—CAPTAIN MARVEL #4 (of 5) and the extra-sized MS. MARVEL #25! These covers present two different versions of the titular heroes, as fans all over the world are asking the same questions: are Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel really Skrulls? And just who do you trust?

"We're excited to offer fans these gorgeous variants by Terry Dodson to highlight two important Secret Invasion tie-ins," said David Gabriel, Senior Vice-President of Sales & Circulation. "These are the moments fans have been waiting for as Secret Invasion kicks into high gear and takes over 2008."

Retailers, please check the Marvel Mailer for special order incentives related to
CAPTAIN MARVEL #3 Second Printing Variant and CAPTAIN MARVEL #4. Marvel also urges retailers to check their orders on all upcoming issues of Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, and all other Secret Invasion tie-ins, as they continue to sell-out quickly.

Just how do Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel figure into the Skrulls' plans? Find out in
CAPTAIN MARVEL #4 and MS. MARVEL #25, now featuring new variants by Terry Dodson!

CAPTAIN MARVEL #4 (of 5) (DEC07217
CAPTAIN MARVEL #4 (of 5) DODSON VARIANT (DEC078127)
Written by BRIAN REED
Penciled by LEE WEEKS
Cover by ED MCGUINNESS
Variant Cover by TERRY DODSON & LAURA MARTIN
Rated A…$2.99
FOC—2/28/08, On-Sale—3/19/08

MS. MARVEL #25 (JAN082167)
MS. MARVEL #25 DODSON VARIANT (DEC07812
Written by BRIAN REED
Penciled by ADRIANA MELO
Cover by GREG HORN
Variant by TERRY DODSON & LAURA MARTIN
Rated T+ …$3.99
FOC—3/6/08, On-Sale—3/26/08
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I'm wondering if Noh-Varr will play a role in SI? Considering he took over the Cube and according to YA/Runaways they have alot of Skrull prisoners which maybe the Skrulls would want to liberate in addition to killing Noh-Varr?

It looks sweet and while I'm not a Dodson fan I will have both of those. But what in the world are we even supposed to make of the image. There's so much going on. Two Mar-vells and two Ms. Marvels, one from now and one from their beginnings. Skrull Avengers including Cap in the background, FF #2 up on the jumbotron tv screen. Too much to process...

I'm wondering if Noh-Varr will play a role in SI? Considering he took over the Cube and according to YA/Runaways they have alot of Skrull prisoners which maybe the Skrulls would want to liberate in addition to killing Noh-Varr?

He will be. It's been kinda confirmed.

I'm wondering if Noh-Varr will play a role in SI? Considering he took over the Cube and according to YA/Runaways they have alot of Skrull prisoners which maybe the Skrulls would want to liberate in addition to killing Noh-Varr?

At this point, it seems like he'll be pretty heavily involved. The script to SI #1 seems to hint that he'll have a big role in the story.

God, Terry Dodson is brilliant. He's so good, i actually read a Wonder Woman comic simply because he drew it.

Good to have him back where he belongs.

Now Joey Da Q needs to give Carlos Pacheco a call before everyone forget he exists. He's wasting his career away at DC.

God, Terry Dodson is brilliant. He's so good, i actually read a Wonder Woman comic simply because he drew it.

Good to have him back where he belongs.

Now Joey Da Q needs to give Carlos Pacheco a call before everyone forget he exists. He's wasting his career away at DC.

I dunno. I like him, but he's gotten reeeeeeally slow. And I really don't like that him and Merino seem to be co-artists instead of penciller and inker at this point. It just drags him down.

He will be. It's been kinda confirmed.

How has it been confirmed? And how does SI #1's script lean towards Noh-Varr? The preview said a ship was crashing nothing about the Cube or Noh-Varr.

How has it been confirmed? And how does SI #1's script lean towards Noh-Varr? The preview said a ship was crashing nothing about the Cube or Noh-Varr.

Brevoort did a big post on his blog about the script to SI #1. He was mentioned.

Noh-Varr did swear that he would claim Earth in the name of the Kree Empire. So it would make sense he would vehemently oppose the Skrulls.

Brevoort did a big post on his blog about the script to SI #1. He was mentioned.

Can you point me to this "script"? I wonder how Morrison feels about Marvel putting Noh-Varr into 616. Marvel Boy was way too fucking out there to be in 616 as good as it was :\.

Never mind found it.

Can you point me to this "script"? I wonder how Morrison feels about Marvel putting Noh-Varr into 616. Marvel Boy was way too fucking out there to be in 616 as good as it was :\.
Noh-Varr has already appeared in the Young Avengers/Runaways miniseries, and the Illuminati series. They have firmly established him in 616 continuity.

Noh-Varr has already appeared in the Young Avengers/Runaways miniseries, and the Illuminati series. They have firmly established him in 616 continuity.

That's the point. The original Marvel Boy series had some really weird stuff that probably wouldn't really fly in 616 like Dugan being director and S.H.I.E.L.D being Midas's bitch. And there's the Bannermen along with other assorted things.

That's the point. The original Marvel Boy series had some really weird stuff that probably wouldn't really fly in 616 like Dugan being director and S.H.I.E.L.D being Midas's bitch. And there's the Bannermen along with other assorted things.

Weren't the Bannermen in something semi-recently?

Weren't the Bannermen in something semi-recently?

I didn't know that? Huh that's pretty weird cause I thought the only clones of Wolverine they could make were X-23 and then there's the fact S.H.I.E.L.D supposedly has to destroy all samples of Cap's DNA.

Weren't the Bannermen in something semi-recently?

They showed up in the Order.

I didn't know that? Huh that's pretty weird cause I thought the only clones of Wolverine they could make were X-23 and then there's the fact S.H.I.E.L.D supposedly has to destroy all samples of Cap's DNA.

The Bannermen in the Order were Hulk-based.

They showed up in the Order.

Didn't know that.

Anyone looking forward to everyone jumping up and down swearing that Iron Man is a skrull?


Anyways, Secret Invasion #2... speculation time.


Secret Invasion #2
The Invasion is here!! The Marvel Universe is in shambles. The Skrull Empire's plan has birthed itself into perfection. It is hero versus hero!! Resurrections and reunions!!

Is Tony Stark a Skrull? And is that actually Captain America leading the heroes into a new era??

Suggestions?

I'm going with Mockingbird and Hawkeye.

Some bonus points:
- Former SHIELD agent, would work well in the new status quo
- Bendis said "Hawkeye fans will love him" (if I'm remembering properly)
- The Wanda/Mephisto thing was already retconned
- Debut in the Savage Land, which is appearing in an upcoming issue of N.A.
- Appeared in House of M: Avengers

Hrm, just a thought here.. are there any other "coincidences" worth noting as of late regarding characters from the 70s?

- The cover to Secret Invasion #2
- The covers to CAPTAIN MARVEL #4 and MS. MARVEL #25
- The book that largely revolves around the Skrull Invasion (N.A.) contains: Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Iron Fist (mainly known for their 70s appearances)
- Mar-Vell out of nowhere (70s)

I'm not suggesting that the timelines are going to fold on each other or anything, relax :D

Just wondering if there might be something to this other than Bendis loving the 70s.

With all the time travel stuff as of late, maybe that's how this gets solved.

Someone'll have to make the decision whether or not to go back into the past and stop things before they get started, resulting in an Age of Apocalypse type setting temporarily? It was one of the more popular theories during Civil War making the rounds, it'd be interesting if they went with a similar ending.

Unlikely, but it's fun to speculate.

Here is some preview art for New Avengers 39, centering on Echo. It's apparently supposed to be pretty big.

http://www.comicbox.com/index.php/news-english/echo-and-the-infiltration-in-new-avengers-39/

Here is some preview art for New Avengers 39, centering on Echo. It's apparently supposed to be pretty big.

http://www.comicbox.com/index.php/news-english/echo-and-the-infiltration-in-new-avengers-39/
WHAT? this is Mack's artwork?
awesome...

Does anyone really think that Echo will turn out to be a skrull?

I think that would not be good. i am betting that Wolverine never even joined the New Avengers, because his stuff lifts right out. Remember, Wolverine was the one that first got up and tried to kill Spider Woman after the plane crash. He also should have known better than to try and stab and kill Sauron in the Savage Land.

Does anyone really think that Echo will turn out to be a skrull?

I think that would not be good. i am betting that Wolverine never even joined the New Avengers, because his stuff lifts right out. Remember, Wolverine was the one that first got up and tried to kill Spider Woman after the plane crash. He also should have known better than to try and stab and kill Sauron in the Savage Land.

I cannot work out Echo killing Elektra (and revealing that she is a Skrull) and being a Skrull herself. I just can't make that work out in any way. So far the Skrulls have been pretty careful. No characters have been overtly behaving out of character in ways that we readers or the other characters have noticed. The only times they've revealed is when one picked a fight that really should not have resulted in its death in NA, when the Skrulls intentionally revealed in Illuminati and purposely left witnesses, and recently in Captain Marvel for what appears to be the same reason. Showing themselves now seems to be a calculated part of the plan. But for a Skrull to kill and expose another Skrull in such a hard to control environment (Spider-woman really does steal the body and takes it to Tony Stark post-Illuminati #5) is hard to manage to me. It would require Skrull sects possibly not knowing who is a Skrull themselves and what the plan is from sect to sect. Doesn't work for me.

I think that Echo uncovers someone else and sadly dies for it.

Does anyone really think that Echo will turn out to be a skrull?

I think that would not be good. i am betting that Wolverine never even joined the New Avengers, because his stuff lifts right out. Remember, Wolverine was the one that first got up and tried to kill Spider Woman after the plane crash. He also should have known better than to try and stab and kill Sauron in the Savage Land.

Doesn't Wolverine bring the x-men to the tower

Here is some preview art for New Avengers 39, centering on Echo. It's apparently supposed to be pretty big.

http://www.comicbox.com/index.php/news-english/echo-and-the-infiltration-in-new-avengers-39/
What tha..? Is Wolverine hitting on Maya? Damn, that man is a shameless horn dog. :mad:

WHAT? this is Mack's artwork?
awesome...
Indeed it is. :thumb:

What tha..? Is Wolverine hitting on Maya? Damn, that man is a shameless horn dog. :mad:

There's apparently supposed to be a major hook up in this issue. I bet Wolverine wants to tap that, but Maya will end up diddling Hawkeye. Gotta keep that "guy who gets most ass from minor superheroes" title, after all.

Ok, new Skrull replacement theory.

SPOILERS FOR HULK #2

The Red Hulk is left handed.
The color of the pants Red Hulk wears.

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The pants would seem to put Samson out of the running, then again, I wouldn't put it past them to miss out on this detail.

After Rick is eliminated (telegraphed from the start), Samson is now set up as the next "obvious" red herring.

So, that leaves two suspects left.

Ross and Banner.

As far as Hulk's files being deleted.. suppose Samson was a Skrull. He's positioned in such a way to quietly replace heroes, as well as having full backgrounds on them. When Samson went missing, he could have gone after SHIELD's files, as it would have been a good opportunity to do so.

Now they're just messing with us :D

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/2672new_storyimage3606327_full.jpg

Ok, new Skrull replacement theory.

SPOILERS FOR HULK #2

The Red Hulk is left handed.
The color of the pants Red Hulk wears.

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The pants would seem to put Samson out of the running, then again, I wouldn't put it past them to miss out on this detail.

After Rick is eliminated (telegraphed from the start), Samson is now set up as the next "obvious" red herring.

So, that leaves two suspects left.

Ross and Banner.

As far as Hulk's files being deleted.. suppose Samson was a Skrull. He's positioned in such a way to quietly replace heroes, as well as having full backgrounds on them. When Samson went missing, he could have gone after SHIELD's files, as it would have been a good opportunity to do so.



I still say Samson's the Red Hulk. I just can't believe they'd give him the haircut in other books like Thunderbolts all as set-up to be a red herring.

I'd be pretty surprised if Hulk ended up playing into SI too much.

I still say Samson's the Red Hulk. I just can't believe they'd give him the haircut in other books like Thunderbolts all as set-up to be a red herring.

I'd be pretty surprised if Hulk ended up playing into SI too much.



Well, they did say there was one in every book, and with the cast dropping like flies all around, there's not a lot of options.

I just don't see a reason for Samson to suddenly become a carbon copy of the Green Hulk. He's already been exposed to gamma radiation, so increasing it wouldn't turn him into a Red Hulk.

Sure, there's the haircut thing, but are they going to be THAT obvious? Technically, the Dale Keown cover had the Red Hulk with Gray hair which would imply Ross.

After the intentional trickery with Rick, I'm not sold on the haircut idea.

Just a thought, but will Secret Invasion have it's own Civil War? The solicit says that a "Captain America will lead the heroes into a new era" or something along those lines. To me, it sounds like a Skrull Captain America, along with Skrulls impersonating either deceased heroes, alive heroes who signed up for the registration act, or a combination of the both telling the public that Iron Man is a fraud or accusing him of keeping them captive. This would definitely sow seeds of unrest both within the civilian community and the superhero community. And to top it off, to have to have Iron Man say that it's a bunch of shapeshifting aliens, without any concrete proof (other than, at this point, one dead body in an Elektra costume) would come off as ridiculous and possibly lead to less people trusting Iron Man.

I don't know if you guys discussed that possibility already, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Well, they did say there was one in every book, and with the cast dropping like flies all around, there's not a lot of options.

I just don't see a reason for Samson to suddenly become a carbon copy of the Green Hulk. He's already been exposed to gamma radiation, so increasing it wouldn't turn him into a Red Hulk.

Sure, there's the haircut thing, but are they going to be THAT obvious? Technically, the Dale Keown cover had the Red Hulk with Gray hair which would imply Ross.

After the intentional trickery with Rick, I'm not sold on the haircut idea.


I just don't buy that.

For example, I highly doubt there's a Skrull in Daredevil.

Yup, sounds spot on.

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/5019207.html

Some preview pages from the Young Avengers Hulkling Special.

Somebody's acting awful Skrully in the first couple of pages.

Depending on how long the Skrulls have been posing as the heroes/villains, do you think there are any Skrulls who have liked becoming who they're posing as? It worked for Lyja when she posed as Alicia, so why couldn't there be Skrulls who have realized they like being the hero better?

This thread is tough to wade through at this point - has anyone brought up the time period Tony Stark is in at the end of Mighty Avengers #9? 'Cuz if ever there was a way to stop a Skrull invasion before it starts it would be in 1963 when we first became aware of them and before they evolved into whatever they are now. In fact, maybe Tony's not a futurist so much as a guy who met his future self, who told him about the coming invasion, so that when the time came, he could take steps to get the registrations started - which, perhaps, are actually a means a figuring out who's a Skrull? It's all tying together...

It's 1976 presumably, since ROCKY is on the marquee.

Which is another weird bit of "70s Synchronicity"

No one's suggested it's a way to give the heroes a head start yet though. I suggested it might be a way to end things.

This thread is tough to wade through at this point - has anyone brought up the time period Tony Stark is in at the end of Mighty Avengers #9? 'Cuz if ever there was a way to stop a Skrull invasion before it starts it would be in 1963 when we first became aware of them and before they evolved into whatever they are now. In fact, maybe Tony's not a futurist so much as a guy who met his future self, who told him about the coming invasion, so that when the time came, he could take steps to get the registrations started - which, perhaps, are actually a means a figuring out who's a Skrull? It's all tying together...

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It also coincides, possibly, with the time frame that Captain Marvel was in before he "returned" and that Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel 4 cover that's been on the board. I don't know if this will necessarily have Tony warning himself, but it'll possibly cement his fears that this is a bigger threat than he realized and possibly let Doom know something is afoot (if he doesn't already know). Bendis did say that this story would end in a way that Doom fans hadn't seen before, so maybe Iron Man asks Doom for his help?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It also coincides, possibly, with the time frame that Captain Marvel was in before he "returned" and that Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel 4 cover that's been on the board. I don't know if this will necessarily have Tony warning himself, but it'll possibly cement his fears that this is a bigger threat than he realized and possibly let Doom know something is afoot (if he doesn't already know). Bendis did say that this story would end in a way that Doom fans hadn't seen before, so maybe Iron Man asks Doom for his help?

We've seen various heroes ask Dr. Doom for help (dating back to FF #114 with Sue asking Doom to help them stop Reed who was taken over by the Overmind --- gotta love Archie Goodwin and John Buscema)...more recently, Johnny asked Doom to help deliver Sue's child in Reed's absence (the reason she is named "Valeria", after Doom's mother)

Has Doom ever successfully changed the past?

We've seen various heroes ask Dr. Doom for help (dating back to FF #114 with Sue asking Doom to help them stop Reed who was taken over by the Overmind --- gotta love Archie Goodwin and John Buscema)...more recently, Johnny asked Doom to help deliver Sue's child in Reed's absence (the reason she is named "Valeria", after Doom's mother)

Hm...well, who knows what'll happen. I just doubt that Doom will be left out of the Skrull loop. This is a global problem and Doom will probably want to maintain his invested interest in the future of humanity. I imagine the story won't end with the Mighty Avengers bringing Doom in, but somehow deputizing him or putting him in a position where he can help stop the Skrull threat.

Or he'll go back in time and keep having sex with chicks throughout history.

Has Doom ever successfully changed the past?

Yes, if you count "Heroes Reborn" --- took 4 trips back to the past to finally help defeat Galactus

some one mention eariler about wolverine getting drunk is gonna prove him to be scrull....i remember him getting drunk a few times way earlier in continuity.

the kid amedaus cho is the red hulk!!

Luke Cages Kid Is A Skrull, Along The President. Black Panther Cant Be A Skrull, Cause He Can Kick Surfers Ass.and Anyone Who Can Arm Bar The Surfer Cant Be A Skrull. Lol Really Lol..but I Am Serious About The Baby And The President.

some one mention eariler about wolverine getting drunk is gonna prove him to be scrull....i remember him getting drunk a few times way earlier in continuity.

From what I'm aware, Wolvie CAN get drunk, it just goes away really fast.

Luke Cages Kid Is A Skrull, Along The President. Black Panther Cant Be A Skrull, Cause He Can Kick Surfers Ass.and Anyone Who Can Arm Bar The Surfer Cant Be A Skrull. Lol Really Lol..but I Am Serious About The Baby And The President.

I think the kid is put out there like that to throw people off. I think that everything in New Avengers since the reveal has been deliberately designed to make the reader wonder. Pretty sure the baby is fine. Likely has powers of some kind, but probably not an adult Skrull agent in the form of a baby. Or a hybrid baby.

I have no fucking CLUE who is or isn't a Skrull. Seriously.

I have no fucking CLUE who is or isn't a Skrull. Seriously.

At this point I'm pretty much the same way. Whoever they are, they haven't made many mistakes or done anything too overt. Unless they got replaced a long time ago and have just been waiting or something.

So far the only real red flags for me had been:

Wasp reusing the same costumes she made specifically for Luke Cage on Wonder Man instead of designing new ones. And mentioning the kids to her friend Wanda in Disassembled.

Doctor Strange not being able to do basic stuff and sitting out Civil War completely.

Wonder Man's thought balloons being different in theme and structure from everyone else in the book.


Everything else is pretty much intuition or jumping pretty far to a conclusion. Although the Captain Marvel mini has shed some interesting light onto the disposition of comings and goings in the super-villain community.

At this point I'm pretty much the same way. Whoever they are, they haven't made many mistakes or done anything too overt. Unless they got replaced a long time ago and have just been waiting or something.

So far the only real red flags for me had been:

Wasp reusing the same costumes she made specifically for Luke Cage on Wonder Man instead of designing new ones. And mentioning the kids to her friend Wanda in Disassembled.

Doctor Strange not being able to do basic stuff and sitting out Civil War completely.

Wonder Man's thought balloons being different in theme and structure from everyone else in the book.


Everything else is pretty much intuition or jumping pretty far to a conclusion. Although the Captain Marvel mini has shed some interesting light onto the disposition of comings and goings in the super-villain community.

You got that right. It's also shed some interesting light on to exactly what is going on with Captain Marvel's 'resurrection' (return?).

You got that right. It's also shed some interesting light on to exactly what is going on with Captain Marvel's 'resurrection' (return?).

The first few pages of the Hulkling YA Presents seem to be hinting at something there too.

You got that right. It's also shed some interesting light on to exactly what is going on with Captain Marvel's 'resurrection' (return?).

Has it? See I'm not sure on anything until I see the next issue. Put what you think behind some spoiler tags or hide it just to see if we're on the same page.

At this point I'm pretty much the same way. Whoever they are, they haven't made many mistakes or done anything too overt. Unless they got replaced a long time ago and have just been waiting or something.

So far the only real red flags for me had been:

Wasp reusing the same costumes she made specifically for Luke Cage on Wonder Man instead of designing new ones. And mentioning the kids to her friend Wanda in Disassembled.

Doctor Strange not being able to do basic stuff and sitting out Civil War completely.

Wonder Man's thought balloons being different in theme and structure from everyone else in the book.


Everything else is pretty much intuition or jumping pretty far to a conclusion. Although the Captain Marvel mini has shed some interesting light onto the disposition of comings and goings in the super-villain community.

I've got my suspicions about the Black Widow, but I'm not sure they'll happen considering her role in Captain America.

So far the only real red flags for me had been:

Wasp reusing the same costumes she made specifically for Luke Cage on Wonder Man instead of designing new ones. And mentioning the kids to her friend Wanda in Disassembled.

Doctor Strange not being able to do basic stuff and sitting out Civil War completely.

Wonder Man's thought balloons being different in theme and structure from everyone else in the book.



I just do not understand how Wonder Man being a Skrull affects anything. Wonder Man has not been out of character since he joined the Mighty Avengers. The Wasp however has not been in character since Busiek left, so that makes sense. I am going to reread the Mighty Avengers, but nothing in the newer issues seems to be amiss with him.

Doctor Strange has been exonerated from his work in New Avengers. Why would the Black Bolt skrull reveal himself, but not Dr Strange? If there were two of them with the Illuminati powers, the others never would have won.

I was rereading the Illuminati series and noticed that Xavier in the Marvel Boy issue makes some strange comments about if he had his way that the mutants would be ruling everyone. That was pretty un-Xavier like. Also in the Beyonder issue, Black Bolt maintains he does not know about the Beyonder being an Inhuman. I think this kind of proves the idea that the Skrull was not the same guy each time.

I just do not understand how Wonder Man being a Skrull affects anything. Wonder Man has not been out of character since he joined the Mighty Avengers. The Wasp however has not been in character since Busiek left, so that makes sense. I am going to reread the Mighty Avengers, but nothing in the newer issues seems to be amiss with him.

Doctor Strange has been exonerated from his work in New Avengers. Why would the Black Bolt skrull reveal himself, but not Dr Strange? If there were two of them with the Illuminati powers, the others never would have won.

I was rereading the Illuminati series and noticed that Xavier in the Marvel Boy issue makes some strange comments about if he had his way that the mutants would be ruling everyone. That was pretty un-Xavier like. Also in the Beyonder issue, Black Bolt maintains he does not know about the Beyonder being an Inhuman. I think this kind of proves the idea that the Skrull was not the same guy each time.

I'm not sure what purpose Wonder Man would have or where he would have been switched out. You really can chloroform the guy with a rag and toss him into a van. And until recently, he hadn't exactly been at the center of things. Although he had surprisingly little to say during Disassembled and House of M considering his relationship with Wanda whose life was at stake. His thought balloons are just structured differently than the others. The others really are things that you would think, but not say out loud. True internal stuff. His seem to be slightly different in nature, tied closer into what he's about to say next. I don't know, I'm not explaining it well. But other people have mentioned his thoughts just being different in some way.

I guess Strange is in the clear, but without his own series to go into more detail about exactly what he is going through and why, a lot is up in the air. The Black Bolt reveal was every specific for a particular purpose. So there's not really a need for Strange to reveal himself if he were a Skrull. The angle for Incredible Hercules (Skrulls apparently having their own pantheon of gods and deities) does bode well for Skrulls having magic at their disposal.

Xavier is sidelined, Black Bolt unaccounted for, who's next?

I've got my suspicions about the Black Widow, but I'm not sure they'll happen considering her role in Captain America.

oh please...lets Black Widow out of this....:sad:

oh please...lets Black Widow out of this....:sad:

She had a very interesting reaction to Cage's Skrull related tantrum. She's also a perfect suspect. SHIELD assassin with close ties to Stark AND Cap? Why WOULDN'T she be a target?

double post..sorry.

She had a very interesting reaction to Cage's Skrull related tantrum. She's also a perfect suspect. SHIELD assassin with close ties to Stark AND Cap? Why WOULDN'T she be a target?
because she is my favorite character and i still miss Yelena Belova...:cry:

She had a very interesting reaction to Cage's Skrull related tantrum. She's also a perfect suspect. SHIELD assassin with close ties to Stark AND Cap? Why WOULDN'T she be a target?

They just have her newer backstory in Wolverine Origins and she's a key support character in Captain America. To have her be a Skrull in light of those things just doesn't compute. I think she's clean...as far as being a Skrull anyway.

Again it depends on how all this works. Are you replaced once and for all? Does someone intercept a call and show up as you in specific and critical places?

She had a very interesting reaction to Cage's Skrull related tantrum.

This could really be used as evidence that she is a Skrull. It was really weird and open.

However, I think it's possible that it was supposed to be a knowing smile. Like she already knew what Luke was talking about and was just playing dumb. She currently seems to be Tony's right hand woman in Captain America, maybe he's revealed some stuff to her.

Black Widow will probably not be a skrull. Just not enough impact.

Bendis keeps saying that the whole thing will be judged on the worst skrull reveal. If that is the case, I would imagine that all Skrulls revealed would be the major players or have strong influence. I think that the Wasp is because of her close connection to all Avengers. I also think that, if I were picking from the Mighty Avengers, SpiderWoman is probably a skrull before Wonder Man. Bringing the body to Iron Man woudl definitely put her above suspicion.

The thing that always bothers me about guessing this stuff is that Bendis is never oberly sneaky in his surprises. He rewards a reader's knowledge and loyalty to a comic by having all the information you need right in front of you. The Wasp and Pym fill that bill because of ther strange interactions in Mighty Avengers as well as Pym's erratic behavior in Avengers Initiative. If you have not read much Wonder Man, I could see his indecisiveness and quarkiness as being odd. But, his self doubt and reluctance to be a full time hero are the things that are correct.

Black Widow will probably not be a skrull. Just not enough impact.

agree...I have great trust in Bendis' words.
he said we will see Black Widow in upcoming Spider Woman series...:)

Black Widow will probably not be a skrull. Just not enough impact.

Bendis keeps saying that the whole thing will be judged on the worst skrull reveal. If that is the case, I would imagine that all Skrulls revealed would be the major players or have strong influence. I think that the Wasp is because of her close connection to all Avengers. I also think that, if I were picking from the Mighty Avengers, SpiderWoman is probably a skrull before Wonder Man. Bringing the body to Iron Man woudl definitely put her above suspicion.

The thing that always bothers me about guessing this stuff is that Bendis is never oberly sneaky in his surprises. He rewards a reader's knowledge and loyalty to a comic by having all the information you need right in front of you. The Wasp and Pym fill that bill because of ther strange interactions in Mighty Avengers as well as Pym's erratic behavior in Avengers Initiative. If you have not read much Wonder Man, I could see his indecisiveness and quarkiness as being odd. But, his self doubt and reluctance to be a full time hero are the things that are correct.

So who would the worse reveal possibly be then? The one where we're either saying "well what is the point of that?" or "why would that happen?" Is that what worst reveal means?

Or worst as in "I can't believe it, I just don't accept that."

http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=99&itemid=11172

Do these mean anything?

http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=99&itemid=11172

Do these mean anything?
bad artwork?:)

http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=99&itemid=11172

Do these mean anything?

They mean trouble.

Pretty sure these are our red herrings. I always think of A Pup Named Scooby Doo when I hear the term red herring.

For me, worst reveal would be the one that has everyone respond with a "So?"

I'm sure we'll get a lot of swerves to get people talking from month to month -- "OMG! Maybe Cap really DID fake his death and went underground with Fury! Stark is DEFINITELY a Skrull, cause Cap says so and it just makes so much sense!"

Wonder Man, for me, would fit in the "So what?" category just cause I don't find anything remotely interesting about the guy personally. So, my initial thought besides, "Ha! WM fans!" would be "They did that so they could go back to an earlier version they'd rather write?"

So, if the reveal becomes less about the story, and more about the metatextual applications -- if the author's hand seems too heavy or overt to serve a purpose the writer wants, rather than acting organically within the storyline, then that'd be a bad reveal for me.

Meaning, a lot of the whole Beast stuff is going to be touch and go for some people :)

bad artwork?:)

No kidding. Who do I trust? Not Greg Horn.

http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=99&itemid=11172

Do these mean anything?

Messing with the fanbase :D

Wolverine? Yes.

Hercules? No.

Hawkeye? 50/50. Leaning towards not.

Messing with the fanbase :D

Wolverine? Yes.

Hercules? No.

Hawkeye? 50/50. Leaning towards not.

I would be shocked if Hawkeye was a Skrull. And not shocked in that "My mind has been awesomed" way, shocked in that "Well that makes a whole lot of stuff kinda senseless" way.

No kidding. Who do I trust? Not Greg Horn.

Post of the day. :)

I do not think that the purpose of this story is to just fix a lot of problems. Bendis has never struck me as a writer who writes stories just to fix problems or use stories as and out to fix a problem. I hope that he holds strong and does not let this get out of control. A few will be used to correct issues in other books, but the main thrust of them should be story driven. That said, I hope the Beast is a skrull.

If Hawkeye were to be a skrull, that would be too much for that character. Hercules would be interesting. How long? When? That might be a lot of fun.

Wow, those are not very good...

Has the purple man been discussed?

Someone should go find him and beat the info out of him...

I mean, he knows he's a comic book character for crying out loud, he'll know who the Skrulls are...

Will his powers work on Skrulls?

Have they taken him off the board already?

Messing with the fanbase :D

Wolverine? Yes.

Hercules? No.

Hawkeye? 50/50. Leaning towards not.

Herc is definetly not a Skrull. No Skrull can hold that much liquor. And if Herc is a Skrull why would he be having flashbacks of his past life? Then there's the idea that he might be an Eternal.

Has the purple man been discussed?

Someone should go find him and beat the info out of him...

I mean, he knows he's a comic book character for crying out loud, he'll know who the Skrulls are...

Will his powers work on Skrulls?

Have they taken him off the board already?

Last I remember he got the shit beat out of him by Luke Cage and was used by Baron Zemo in Thunderbolts to train his team from the Raft.

Herc is definetly not a Skrull. No Skrull can hold that much liquor. And if Herc is a Skrull why would he be having flashbacks of his past life? Then there's the idea that he might be an Eternal.

Yeah, there's no way Hercules is a Skrull. It would just completely erase all of the 'push' he's been getting since Civil War (Mark Millar did an amazing job of making him super badass again in just a few pages).

Yeah, there's no way Hercules is a Skrull. It would just completely erase all of the 'push' he's been getting since Civil War (Mark Millar did an amazing job of making him super badass again in just a few pages).

And don't forget Greg Pak. I also doubt Hawkeye is a Skrull considering he went to Doc Strange and went looking for Wanda. And I seriously do believe Wolverine is a Skrull. It would explain how he can still be part of the X-Men while running around with the New Avengers.

And don't forget Greg Pak. I also doubt Hawkeye is a Skrull considering he went to Doc Strange and went looking for Wanda. And I seriously do believe Wolverine is a Skrull. It would explain how he can still be part of the X-Men while running around with the New Avengers.

Wouldn't it be great if Wolverine was never in the New Avengers? If you reread Breakout, Wolverine shows up and does not have a great back story. He makes up some terrible back story as to why he is there. Then he tries to kill Sauron. That makes no sense. If anyone on the team should know not to stab Sauron, it would be Wolverine. He had no business trying to kill Sauron by stabbing him. He would have known Sauron would steal his powers.

Wouldn't it be great if Wolverine was never in the New Avengers? If you reread Breakout, Wolverine shows up and does not have a great back story. He makes up some terrible back story as to why he is there. Then he tries to kill Sauron. That makes no sense. If anyone on the team should know not to stab Sauron, it would be Wolverine. He had no business trying to kill Sauron by stabbing him. He would have known Sauron would steal his powers.

I've been preaching that for how many pages? I've also said that Xavier at the Illuminati meeting in NA: Sentry arc was probably a Skrull since he mentions that he and Wolverine talked about him being in the Avengers blah blah blah but you never hear it mentioned again.

And lets not forget that Wolverine isn't even a public member and Tony Stark hasn't tried to capture Wolverine while he's with the X-Men because maybe he doesn't know he's there? And if a Skrull had the mind gem it might also explain how the Skrulls hide themselves telepathically.

I've been preaching that for how many pages? I've also said that Xavier at the Illuminati meeting in NA: Sentry arc was probably a Skrull since he mentions that he and Wolverine talked about him being in the Avengers blah blah blah but you never hear it mentioned again.

And lets not forget that Wolverine isn't even a public member and Tony Stark hasn't tried to capture Wolverine while he's with the X-Men because maybe he doesn't know he's there? And if a Skrull had the mind gem it might also explain how the Skrulls hide themselves telepathically.

I'm telling you the insect in the artwork was the Skrull!

And if you have the mind gem then you can just make people not notice that you've Skrull society in on top of human stuff. No way they have the restraint needed to use any gem for menial stuff.

Whatever happened to...Intelligencia (??)...the Skrull supreme intelligence? Didn't they have one of those too?

I'm telling you the insect in the artwork was the Skrull!

And if you have the mind gem then you can just make people not notice that you've Skrull society in on top of human stuff. No way they have the restraint needed to use any gem for menial stuff.

Whatever happened to...Intelligencia (??)...the Skrull supreme intelligence? Didn't they have one of those too?
I do believe the insect in the artwork is a Skrull. I also believe that Xavier is a skrull since there's no way Wolverine can get away with being on the X-Men when he's supposedly part of the New Avengers.

Why would Wolverine give a crap about registration anyway? The stuff the NA are fighting for isn't really something that affects him.

I do believe the insect in the artwork is a Skrull. I also believe that Xavier is a skrull since there's no way Wolverine can get away with being on the X-Men when he's supposedly part of the New Avengers.

Why would Wolverine give a crap about registration anyway? The stuff the NA are fighting for isn't really something that affects him.

Well in theory though Wolverine got away with having his own solo adventures (his own series) for years. He would just not be with the X-men sometimes. So that's not impossible.

Question is, do we ever get to find out what Iron Man offered Wolverine to get him to be a part of the new Avengers? That might be important. :) Might be.

Well in theory though Wolverine got away with having his own solo adventures (his own series) for years. He would just not be with the X-men sometimes. So that's not impossible.

Question is, do we ever get to find out what Iron Man offered Wolverine to get him to be a part of the new Avengers? That might be important. :) Might be.

I thought the offer was for him to get a fresh start and clean up the blood stains on his name?

I thought the offer was for him to get a fresh start and clean up the blood stains on his name?

During the Sentry arc they flash back to the discussion where Stark mentions that being an Avenger was helpful to him during dark times, but he also mentions that he is a very rich man and asks him what he wants that he does not have. And that's the last we see of that.

Also, if you have a chance everyone needs to re-read Breakout. Really read it. There's a lot in there. We just read so many other comics that we forget about Breakout, I know I do. Its like you remember the high spots, but there's a lot in the small details, the seemingly throw away lines.

During the Sentry arc they flash back to the discussion where Stark mentions that being an Avenger was helpful to him during dark times, but he also mentions that he is a very rich man and asks him what he wants that he does not have. And that's the last we see of that.

Also, if you have a chance everyone needs to re-read Breakout. Really read it. There's a lot in there. We just read so many other comics that we forget about Breakout, I know I do. Its like you remember the high spots, but there's a lot in the small details, the seemingly throw away lines.

what throw away lines?

what throw away lines?

''..at least 14 of those prisoners supposedly died years ago.."

"..it means that on top of secretly stockpiling other countries' super powered weapon reserves before we caught them in the act...someone in SHIELD is stockpiling powered criminals."

"They know who we are. We don't know who they are."

The they now has a new context in the Skrulls. The dead villains has some kind of context due to the Captain Marvel mini.

excellent first post. Interesting tidbit came out of the latest Word Balloon with Brian Reed
One of the illuminati is a Skrull and will be revealed in the final issue of the mini (issue 5)

Is there any title that touches on this revelation? Do I need to read Silent War?

I think its
Namor. He's been out of the larger picture for a few years now. He has sleeper cells all over the place. He's anti-Stark. He beat the crap out of Marvel boy in Illumiati #4 - basically because he could. Plus, under water would be a great place to hide any sort of base/ secret operation.

In New Avengers Illuminati #5 they mention Namor's kingdom being destroyed, was this dealt with in the recent Sub-Mariner mini-series written by Matt Cherniss?

Is there any title that touches on this revelation? Do I need to read Silent War?
Hey Denny!

You should read Son of M and Silent War just because they're good reads. As for a greater context, we're still waiting on that.

Sidebar: Did you see that you got a mention in my Bendis interview?

In New Avengers Illuminati #5 they mention Namor's kingdom being destroyed, was this discussed in the recent Namor mini-series?

Not discussed, it happened there. A couple of big things that will come up other places are from the Sub-mariner mini so grab that if you can. And even if you are trying to cut back in issues, go ahead and do Captain Marvel in issue form. There is a lot of time sensitive stuff in there, especially if you plan on doing SI in issues.

Hey Denny!

You should read Son of M and Silent War just because they're good reads. As for a greater context, we're still waiting on that.

Sidebar: Did you see that you got a mention in my Bendis interview?

No, I hadn't gotten a chance to read that yet. I've been wrapped up in myself, I need to be a better friend and support him more vocally. I'm thinking I might try and get back in the game. Thank you for pointing this out, I'd been meaning to read this interview.

P.S. I read Son of M, great companion book to Madrox/X-Factor. Still need to read Silent War.

Not discussed, it happened there. A couple of big things that will come up other places are from the Sub-mariner mini so grab that if you can. And even if you are trying to cut back in issues, go ahead and do Captain Marvel in issue form. There is a lot of time sensitive stuff in there, especially if you plan on doing SI in issues.

Doesn't Penance also try to capture Nitro from Castle Doom? And yeah the whole dead villains thing does make more sense now. But I'm guessing that the dead ones that were in the Raft are Skrulls since otherwise they would revert to Skrulls when they originally died.

But I wonder what role Namor's alliance with Doom is going to play anyway beyond Doom having atlantean soldiers to call on.

Doesn't Penance also try to capture Nitro from Castle Doom? And yeah the whole dead villains thing does make more sense now. But I'm guessing that the dead ones that were in the Raft are Skrulls since otherwise they would revert to Skrulls when they originally died.

But I wonder what role Namor's alliance with Doom is going to play anyway beyond Doom having atlantean soldiers to call on.
Now you're cooking with gas. People die and come back in the Marvel universe all the time. And seldom is anyone even verified in any way. Its just accepted. What if that detail was exploited? What if the fact that Wolverine is in a lot of places seemingly at once was exploited. These are things that fans talk about that are perhaps being utilized in an actual story.

If we can get a timeline maybe what's happening in Mighty Avengers as far as "go get 'im fellas" has to do with Doom/ Namor being a difficult alliance to deal with. So the Avengers are sent to do the work of the Skrulls and topple a threat. Maybe.

Here is some stuff I found over at Newsarama. Happened back in X-Men and was apparently referenced in a Wizard article where Bendis and Brevoort talk up Secret Invasion.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Helmhammerhand/x-men1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Helmhammerhand/xmen2.jpg

I remember those issues and I'm glad to see them, along with Wolverine already having been switched out once before, being addressed by Marvel. Bendis did his homework on this one.

Now you're cooking with gas. People die and come back in the Marvel universe all the time. And seldom is anyone even verified in any way. Its just accepted. What if that detail was exploited? What if the fact that Wolverine is in a lot of places seemingly at once was exploited. These are things that fans talk about that are perhaps being utilized in an actual story.

If we can get a timeline maybe what's happening in Mighty Avengers as far as "go get 'im fellas" has to do with Doom/ Namor being a difficult alliance to deal with. So the Avengers are sent to do the work of the Skrulls and topple a threat. Maybe.

I'm wondering what Doom has to do with the Skrulls. I read the tpb of Secret War today and from what I understand Doom and Von Bardas were financing the Tinkerer to supply supervillains with their weaponry for terrorist actions.

And apparently the Prez of the Holy Empire of the US (the president has got to be Bush) was pissed about Fury, superheros, and the fact that Von Bardas wasn't cooperative. And he made a reference to the fact that Doom was easier to deal with (I don't know how though). I'm also guessing the president was replaced by Skrulls since don't forget they have done it before like in Skrull Kill Krew they replaced a Soviet state head and they've been able to fool people before.

I'm betting that's going to figure with the whole Doom might not be Doom thing. I don't have my issue of MA on hand but who made the symbiote bomb? I'm pretty sure Von Bardas did which might mean it was a leftover from Secret War and why Doom has nothing to do with that attack.

Here is some stuff I found over at Newsarama. Happened back in X-Men and was apparently referenced in a Wizard article where Bendis and Brevoort talk up Secret Invasion.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Helmhammerhand/x-men1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Helmhammerhand/xmen2.jpg

I remember those issues and I'm glad to see them, along with Wolverine already having been switched out once before, being addressed by Marvel. Bendis did his homework on this one.

That's great.

That's great.

I gotta say it's pretty freaking creepy that the Skrulls are so obsessed with taking over earth they even train people to pose as heroes.

Does this take place before or after the Kree-Skrull war since the Skrulls didn't gain the tech to mimic other heroes' powers until after the Kree-Skrull War.

That's great.

I was hoping those issues would get into a tpb. I have them on display in the shop. I guess now that I think about it this story was kind of an aside in the middle of something else and might not read well alone. Still though...

I was hoping those issues would get into a tpb. I have them on display in the shop. I guess now that I think about it this story was kind of an aside in the middle of something else and might not read well alone. Still though...

What's the name of the trade?

I gotta say it's pretty freaking creepy that the Skrulls are so obsessed with taking over earth they even train people to pose as heroes.

Does this take place before or after the Kree-Skrull war since the Skrulls didn't gain the tech to mimic other heroes' powers until after the Kree-Skrull War.

At least in order of when it was released, this is well after the Kree-Skrull War.

I'm not actually certain if the story had any time travel involved, but I presume since the cover featured at least two dead heroes (Captain Marvel, Thunderbird, and Adam Warlock) then it's a possibility that it did. Jury's still out on it, I'd imagine.

What's this Secret Invasion stuff all about?

At least in order of when it was released, this is well after the Kree-Skrull War.

I'm not actually certain if the story had any time travel involved, but I presume since the cover featured at least two dead heroes (Captain Marvel, Thunderbird, and Adam Warlock) then it's a possibility that it did. Jury's still out on it, I'd imagine.

I'm pretty sure the story is that the X-Men travel back in time and end up on the Skrull homeworld before Galactus made it into lunch:-?

I gotta say it's pretty freaking creepy that the Skrulls are so obsessed with taking over earth they even train people to pose as heroes.

Does this take place before or after the Kree-Skrull war since the Skrulls didn't gain the tech to mimic other heroes' powers until after the Kree-Skrull War.

This is right before the Skrull throneworld (the hero program shown and the beloved princess Annelle, mother of Hulkling) are consumed by Galactus, who Reed Richards had prevented from dying on Earth. That's what the Trial of Galactus storyline is about. The rest of the universe can't believe Mr. Fantastic prevented Galatus from dying and puts him on trial for it. You can find that in FF Byrne Visionaries tpbs.

What's the name of the trade?

There isn't one. I was saying there should be one with this kind of stuff in it.

This is right before the Skrull throneworld (the hero program shown and the beloved princess Annelle, mother of Hulkling) are consumed by Galactus, who Reed Richards had prevented from dying on Earth. That's what the Trial of Galactus storyline is about. The rest of the universe can't believe Mr. Fantastic prevented Galatus from dying and puts him on trial for it. You can find that in FF Byrne Visionaries tpbs.

Well what issues of X-Men does this take across? I like Alan Davis so this should be good.

I was thinking earlier, the Secret Invasion seems to be the Skrull plan to take over the Earth that they finally "get right". It seems they're really pushing for this to work out. Which, coupled with what's gone on in Annihilation and such, should mean that they must be really desperate. They've gone through a lot of crap in very little time, when you take into account that everything bad that's happened to the Skrulls over the last forty seven years in real time has happened to them in the space of like 10-15 years. I mean, think about it: in 10-15 years, how many leaders and power struggles have they had? How many wars have they fought with other races? How many throneworlds and planets eaten by Galactus and general instability for the empire? The political state of the entire galactic Skrull empire almost mirrors that of a struggling third world country centered around a failed state.

This must be their ultimate move. This is the basket where they put all their eggs, I think. So if they fail and the heroes manage to reclaim their planet, the Skrull empire is likely going to go to hell, unless something major happens like they get to keep one of the more powerful Infinity Gems or something that keeps them from the brink.

I'm pretty sure the story is that the X-Men travel back in time and end up on the Skrull homeworld before Galactus made it into lunch:-?

Yes, the X-men got sent back in time and stumble into a major plot to replace heroes and also to replace heroes that were known to be dead and inactive. But unfortunately none of that could happen thanks to Galactus (thanks to Reed Richards). I can't remember if the time travel happened because of Juggernaut smashing through realities nor can I remember if this is where Wolverine's Skrull replacement came from.

Well what issues of X-Men does this take across? I like Alan Davis so this should be good.

X-men #88-90? I think that comparatively this issues are from a period that was under ordered (I know that the X-men: The Twelve crossover, while generally not hailed for being a great story, is from that same time and is pretty tough to find in stores) so they shouldn't be expensive, but maybe hard to wander into.

I think there might be a couple of Uncanny issues in with the X-men now that I think about it. I can't remember if Davis was writing both books at the time..

Yes, the X-men got sent back in time and stumble into a major plot to replace heroes and also to replace heroes that were known to be dead and inactive. But unfortunately none of that could happen thanks to Galactus (thanks to Reed Richards). I can't remember if the time travel happened because of Juggernaut smashing through realities nor can I remember if this is where Wolverine's Skrull replacement came from.

How did a Skrull manage to end up replacing Wolverine anyway? Wouldn't they have recognized Wolverine as Death, since he killed his duplicate anyway.

I was thinking earlier, the Secret Invasion seems to be the Skrull plan to take over the Earth that they finally "get right". It seems they're really pushing for this to work out. Which, coupled with what's gone on in Annihilation and such, should mean that they must be really desperate. They've gone through a lot of crap in very little time, when you take into account that everything bad that's happened to the Skrulls over the last forty seven years in real time has happened to them in the space of like 10-15 years. I mean, think about it: in 10-15 years, how many leaders and power struggles have they had? How many wars have they fought with other races? How many throneworlds and planets eaten by Galactus and general instability for the empire? The political state of the entire galactic Skrull empire almost mirrors that of a struggling third world country centered around a failed state.

This must be their ultimate move. This is the basket where they put all their eggs, I think. So if they fail and the heroes manage to reclaim their planet, the Skrull empire is likely going to go to hell, unless something major happens like they get to keep one of the more powerful Infinity Gems or something that keeps them from the brink.

Yes, to me if the Skrulls lose this one, they're done. And I hope that the story gets into that mindset to present a balanced story. I don't want the Skrulls to "kick Krypto" and become generic bad guys. I want this race of beings to be shown to honestly believe that their destiny is on the planet Earth and after so many setbacks and terrible events they have to have it in order to survive. They just don't have to have human beings as part of the deal. No live ones, not free ones.

Did I understand correctly that originally it was the Kree who ruined the otherwise good relationship with the Skrulls? The Kree were the aggressors originally? I find that interesting.

Also, I can't remember where it was that all Skrulls were frozen in whatever form they were in and could no longer change shape or why that happened. Or when it was undone.

How did a Skrull manage to end up replacing Wolverine anyway? Wouldn't they have recognized Wolverine as Death, since he killed his duplicate anyway.

Real Wolverine was in the hands of Apocalypse and was transformed into Death. And I guess there was enough of Logan in there (similar to Enemy of the State?) to know that the Wolverine with the X-men wasn't real and needed killing. But it took Xavier doing an autopsy personally to uncover that it was a Skrull. Later Death was revealed to be Wolverine (he used a blade and never his own claws).

Yes, to me if the Skrulls lose this one, they're done. And I hope that the story gets into that mindset to present a balanced story. I don't want the Skrulls to "kick Krypto" and become generic bad guys. I want this race of beings to be shown to honestly believe that their destiny is on the planet Earth and after so many setbacks and terrible events they have to have it in order to survive. They just don't have to have human beings as part of the deal. No live ones, not free ones.

Did I understand correctly that originally it was the Kree who ruined the otherwise good relationship with the Skrulls? The Kree were the aggressors originally? I find that interesting.

Also, I can't remember where it was that all Skrulls were frozen in whatever form they were in and could no longer change shape or why that happened. Or when it was undone.

The Skrulls were originally peaceful and the Kree killed some of their diplomats when the Skrulls hosted a contest with the Kree and another race with the prize being trade.

By the time the Skrulls found out this happened the Kree made weaponry out of the tech they stole and the Skrulls had to become warlike in order to combat the Kree.

The Skrulls were originally peaceful and the Kree killed some of their diplomats when the Skrulls hosted a contest with the Kree and another race with the prize being trade.

By the time the Skrulls found out this happened the Kree made weaponry out of the tech they stole and the Skrulls had to become warlike in order to combat the Kree.

Ultimately, that doesn't matter at this point, but still it is interesting.

Is there any way that the Skrulls can be allowed to live in peace on Earth or will they have done some really terrible things to those who were replaced? I mean for our super heroes to win, what need to happen exactly? They kill all the Skrulls, imprison them on Earth forever? Can aliens be tried on Earth? What can be done that they won't just try it again? Wow, these are good questions! I have faith that the story will address these very things rather than go the completely generic route. There's been nothing generic about the delivery of this story so far.

Ultimately, that doesn't matter at this point, but still it is interesting.

Is there any way that the Skrulls can be allowed to live in peace on Earth or will they have done some really terrible things to those who were replaced? I mean for our super heroes to win, what need to happen exactly? They kill all the Skrulls, imprison them on Earth forever? Can aliens be tried on Earth? What can be done that they won't just try it again? Wow, these are good questions! I have faith that the story will address these very things rather than go the completely generic route. There's been nothing generic about the delivery of this story so far.

Isn't there some sort of alien prison system or whatnot? And also they'll either kill the Skrulls or make them leave. At this point the Skrulls have done too much to be allowed to leave and I don't think earth's heroes are going to be hanky panky about moral codes and whatnot when it's an invasion of earth.

And the only time I can think of that they tried aliens on earth was Eros but he was already settled into earth as a superhero. Then there's also some Skrulls like Lyja or Crusader that can live peacefully but very few Skrulls are like that since apparently being warlike is encoded into their genes (seriously).

I'm also wondering what kind of gods the Skrulls worship and if they're anything like the Skrulls themselves. Hopefully Amadeus along with Herc and the God Squad can kick their asses :).

Isn't there some sort of alien prison system or whatnot? And also they'll either kill the Skrulls or make them leave. At this point the Skrulls have done too much to be allowed to leave and I don't think earth's heroes are going to be hanky panky about moral codes and whatnot when it's an invasion of earth.

And the only time I can think of that they tried aliens on earth was Eros but he was already settled into earth as a superhero. Then there's also some Skrulls like Lyja or Crusader that can live peacefully but very few Skrulls are like that since apparently being warlike is encoded into their genes (seriously).

I'm also wondering what kind of gods the Skrulls worship and if they're anything like the Skrulls themselves. Hopefully Amadeus along with Herc and the God Squad can kick their asses :).

Either we won't see Lyja at all or she'll die at the hands of humans. Just saying, our Marvel super heroes can't condemn a race of beings to death can they? Not and stay super heroes,right? I mean this isn't the Ultimate Marvel universe, there are rules.

Either we won't see Lyja at all or she'll die at the hands of humans. Just saying, our Marvel super heroes can't condemn a race of beings to death can they? Not and stay super heroes,right? I mean this isn't the Ultimate Marvel universe, there are rules.

They've shown willingness to kill Skrulls before. Iron Man presumably fried two of them in Illuminati #5. But don't forget this is a war for the planet the stakes are higher so they can't play around with morality.

And we will see Lyja in the Fantastic Four SI mini since they've said "we'll see a character fans have been asking about for a long time". I wonder who that might be? I doubt they'll kill her anyway she's not a threat presumably.

They've shown willingness to kill Skrulls before. Iron Man presumably fried two of them in Illuminati #5. But don't forget this is a war for the planet the stakes are higher so they can't play around with morality.

And we will see Lyja in the Fantastic Four SI mini since they've said "we'll see a character fans have been asking about for a long time". I wonder who that might be? I doubt they'll kill her anyway she's not a threat presumably.

Just saying, someone has to speak up if its going too far. In theory some Skrull will actually talk about why this is all happening, and maybe make a convincing case, but then there will be the whole part about what paths they've led the Marvel universe down and the fates of the replaced.

I felt like Infinite Crisis missed an opportunity to have the villains actually have a credible point of view as opposed to those in the hero role. And they sacrificed that by having the other guys kick a dog so we knew they were just bad people. Hopefully we'll see both sides laid out and judge for ourselves who was right once its over.

Just saying, someone has to speak up if its going too far. In theory some Skrull will actually talk about why this is all happening, and maybe make a convincing case, but then there will be the whole part about what paths they've led the Marvel universe down and the fates of the replaced.

I felt like Infinite Crisis missed an opportunity to have the villains actually have a credible point of view as opposed to those in the hero role. And they sacrificed that by having the other guys kick a dog so we knew they were just bad people. Hopefully we'll see both sides laid out and judge for ourselves who was right once its over.

From My understanding the Skrulls taking over Earth is all related to Religious prophecy. So it's more of a "Crusade" if you think about it. Liberating the land that was "promised" to them.

From My understanding the Skrulls taking over Earth is all related to Religious prophecy. So it's more of a "Crusade" if you think about it. Liberating the land that was "promised" to them.

True and considering the faction of Skrulls leading this invasion is an ultra religious one it's that much more important.

True and considering the faction of Skrulls leading this invasion is an ultra religious one it's that much more important.

Obviously not all of the Skrulls will have bought into the Religion I don't think. But Bendis playing it up in the interviews makes it seem like this Planet is theirs by Divine Right. Almost like Cosmic Jews.

From My understanding the Skrulls taking over Earth is all related to Religious prophecy. So it's more of a "Crusade" if you think about it. Liberating the land that was "promised" to them.

I know it is, but only the Skrulls know that. The heroes can't participate in the extermination of aliens who have been backed into a corner and feel that Earth is where they have to be. I guess someone can, but they can't be a hero, right?

I know it is, but only the Skrulls know that. The heroes can't participate in the extermination of aliens who have been backed into a corner and feel that Earth is where they have to be. I guess someone can, but they can't be a hero, right?

I'm telling you. Skrulls are Space Jews. So I guess that would make the Heroes Anti-Skrullites. :)

I know it is, but only the Skrulls know that. The heroes can't participate in the extermination of aliens who have been backed into a corner and feel that Earth is where they have to be. I guess someone can, but they can't be a hero, right?

Well there is obviously going to be some killing. The Skrulls aren't playing games any more it seems like they're ready for all out war now since they're revealing themselves very casually.

If they're willing to make peace with the Skrulls they'll probably find some way to help them save their species but that's going to be difficult for them to reach since the Skrulls want to kill all humans and take earth.

Again this is war they're not dealing with a villain robbing a bank. I know it's not the Ultimates but the stakes don't allow them to deal with this in an overtly peaceful manner.

Well there is obviously going to be some killing. The Skrulls aren't playing games any more it seems like they're ready for all out war now since they're revealing themselves very casually.

If they're willing to make peace with the Skrulls they'll probably find some way to help them save their species but that's going to be difficult for them to reach since the Skrulls want to kill all humans and take earth.

Again this is war they're not dealing with a villain robbing a bank. I know it's not the Ultimates but the stakes don't allow them to deal with this in an overtly peaceful manner.

There Species will be fine I'm thinking. They will gain back some Ground in General after Annihilation Conquest wraps up.


but Talking the Skrulls out of Earth is like talking the Jews out of Israel. It will never happen.

There Species will be fine I'm thinking. They will gain back some Ground in General after Annihilation Conquest wraps up.


but Talking the Skrulls out of Earth is like talking the Jews out of Israel. It will never happen.

Their species are not fine. Their empire was torn to shreds by Annihilus and they have no homeworld now. Their prophecy that Earth is theirs is the only thing they have for inspiration now.

The Skrulls aren't involved with conquest considering that the entire event takes place in the Kree galaxy which is wrapped in a bubble.

Well there is obviously going to be some killing. The Skrulls aren't playing games any more it seems like they're ready for all out war now since they're revealing themselves very casually.

If they're willing to make peace with the Skrulls they'll probably find some way to help them save their species but that's going to be difficult for them to reach since the Skrulls want to kill all humans and take earth.

Again this is war they're not dealing with a villain robbing a bank. I know it's not the Ultimates but the stakes don't allow them to deal with this in an overtly peaceful manner.
Yeah, this is an all out war, not some super-villain robbing a bank. The freedom of the human race is at stake. No pulling punches now.

Their species are not fine. Their empire was torn to shreds by Annihilus and they have no homeworld now. Their prophecy that Earth is theirs is the only thing they have for inspiration now.

The Skrulls aren't involved with conquest considering that the entire event takes place in the Kree galaxy which is wrapped in a bubble.

Well, I can imagine that not all the Skrulls believe that the Earth is theirs for the taking. Just like any civilization, there are going to be people who disagree with those in charge. So I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the Marvel Earth vs. the entirety of the Skrull empire, just a certain facet ofit.

Their species are not fine. Their empire was torn to shreds by Annihilus and they have no homeworld now. Their prophecy that Earth is theirs is the only thing they have for inspiration now.

The Skrulls aren't involved with conquest considering that the entire event takes place in the Kree galaxy which is wrapped in a bubble.

Exactly. They still have a handful of Worlds to call theres. There is no longer a Skrull Empire but there is a Skrull Nation. Right now they see KREE SPACE all fucked up. I bet they will try to take some of the fringe Kree Worlds back and claim them as New Skrull Territory.

And they haven't had a Homeworld or Throneworld since Galactus ate it. It changes. Empires and nations always fluctuate after periods of war and before.

Earth isn't there "last hope" as you put it but there divinely promised land of Milk and Honey.

Well, I can imagine that not all the Skrulls believe that the Earth is theirs for the taking. Just like any civilization, there are going to be people who disagree with those in charge. So I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the Marvel Earth vs. the entirety of the Skrull empire, just a certain facet ofit.
I'm pretty sure Bendis has said that this faction is the current leader of the remaining Skrull empire right now. And as for rebels that's where people like Lyja and Crusader fall into.

And I'm pretty sure Bendis has said that's the popular Skrull mindset is that earth is their last hope since they haven't got much left. Plus the Skrulls don't have the military strength to take on the Kree since again Annihilus tore them to shreds. And then there's the problem of that bubble surrounding Kree Space.

I'm pretty sure Bendis has said that this faction is the current leader of the remaining Skrull empire right now. And as for rebels that's where people like Lyja and Crusader fall into.

And I'm pretty sure Bendis has said that's the popular Skrull mindset is that earth is their last hope since they haven't got much left.

I'm really hoping that the potential "rebels" get some play after Secret Invasion wraps up.

There's a TON of ground to cover with SI. I just hope it lives up to its fullest potential.

When is the first issue due to ship?

Is it a monthly or does it have another shipping schedule?

Yeah, the whole prophecy thing is more interesting given the whole Skrull Gods thing. That's gonna be a book to watch, since they're the ones setting everything into motion so to speak, and likely calling the shots amongst the fanatical who are succeeding in invading.

What'll likely have to happen is demoralizing the Skrulls somehow.

Proving their gods are false or that they're fallible.

It's a shame they can't use "42" to VR Simulate a perfect Skrull world for them.

The only problem is the guy who invented it.

Yeah, the whole prophecy thing is more interesting given the whole Skrull Gods thing. That's gonna be a book to watch, since they're the ones setting everything into motion so to speak, and likely calling the shots amongst the fanatical who are succeeding in invading.

What'll likely have to happen is demoralizing the Skrulls somehow.

Proving their gods are false or that they're fallible.

It's a shame they can't use "42" to VR Simulate a perfect Skrull world for them.

The only problem is the guy who invented it.
Cth, what the fuck is going on your sig???? :shock:

Cth, what the fuck is going on your sig???? :shock:

Ahh, some bird taunting another bird :D

There's a TON of ground to cover with SI. I just hope it lives up to its fullest potential.

I trust in Bendis.

I was thinking yesterday...Skrull gods. I don't know if we've had any confirmation so far on what role Thor will play in SI, but there was that catastrophe in #1 that Donald Blake said would happen on Earth if Thor didn't intervene, and I think it was said in a guest Joe Fridays a few months ago that Thor would play a vital role in the safety of the Marvel Universe in the near future. Then I reread Thor #1, and you'll recall that in that issue, Thor is attacked by some creepy monsters that come out of nowhere because, as Donald Blake says, they don't want Thor to return to Earth after he went into the void at the end of Ragnarok.

So I thought, maybe those were the Skrull gods, and the catastrophe they referred to in Thor #1 is Secret Invasion? Maybe the gods wanted to keep Thor from returning because they knew he could tip the balance in Earth's favor? I mean, those monsters had varied appearances, but overall they did look kinda green-ish and alien-like, a bit, and I guess it would make sense that gods (Thor) would hang out in the same place as other gods (Skrull gods).

I'm likely way off on this one, but who knows.

I was thinking yesterday...Skrull gods. I don't know if we've had any confirmation so far on what role Thor will play in SI, but there was that catastrophe in #1 that Donald Blake said would happen on Earth if Thor didn't intervene, and I think it was said in a guest Joe Fridays a few months ago that Thor would play a vital role in the safety of the Marvel Universe in the near future. Then I reread Thor #1, and you'll recall that in that issue, Thor is attacked by some creepy monsters that come out of nowhere because, as Donald Blake says, they don't want Thor to return to Earth after he went into the void at the end of Ragnarok.

So I thought, maybe those were the Skrull gods, and the catastrophe they referred to in Thor #1 is Secret Invasion? Maybe the gods wanted to keep Thor from returning because they knew he could tip the balance in Earth's favor? I mean, those monsters had varied appearances, but overall they did look kinda green-ish and alien-like, a bit, and I guess it would make sense that gods (Thor) would hang out in the same place as other gods (Skrull gods).

I'm likely way off on this one, but who knows.

That's probably true and considering SI is the only big event in the horizon that would be it. And maybe he'll join the God Squad with his old buddy Herc?

I have a funny idea. Maybe. It's long, so I hope you'll indulge me.

In 1998, there was a story in which Captain America and Iron Man used an A.I.M. satellite to make everyone in the world forget Iron Man was Tony Stark. A.I.M. has ties to Hydra and S.H.I.E.L.D., and Nick Fury is knowledgeable about nearly all of it, including A.I.M.'s notorious operations.

Infiltrated Skrulls, using their established connections within S.H.I.E.L.D. and Hydra, catch wind of this and other projects created and originated by A.I.M., including the Super-Adaptoid. In Bendis’ own books, we’ve seen A.I.M. scientists performing surgery on Jessica Drew for her spider powers, and the second Black Widow’s transformation to the second Super-Adaptoid. It is here where the Skrulls infiltrate A.I.M.

Having infiltrated nearly all areas of world government/organizations, the Skrulls required the deposing of Doctor Doom, who may become a political liability in the future Skrull regime. Using their connections as a top official within the US Government, the Skrulls oust Doc Doom and replace him with one of their own: Lucia Von Bardas.

Using her newfound leadership position, she assists her Empire in operations that include funding super-powered criminals through the Tinkerer, resulting in the eventual "Secret War." Nick Fury catches wind of this plan and attempts to notify this top-ranking US official (in all probability, the President himself). In what appears to be an act of weakness, the President attempts to avoid a political fiasco. In actuality, the Skrull acting as the President means to protect the Empire's recently-established interests in Latveria.

Nick Fury takes members of the superhero community and goes against the orders of the United States, toppling the Latverian government (once again), now dethroning Prime Minister Lucia Von Bardas. It is here where we find ourselves at a critical juncture point.

Fury brainwashes his team-members (save Black Widow and “Quake”) and sends them on their way. The only member who remembers anything close to the happenings without S.H.I.E.L.D. clearance is Spider-Man, who for reasons yet unexplained, has flashes in his memory which depict some of the events during the Secret War. Everything goes to hell, and Lucia Von Bardas is “shut down,” and her condition still remains unknown. She was believed dead, but we saw no body (and nothing to revert back to). Almost immediately after this, Nick Fury goes underground.

While all this is pretty interesting and leads to some great questions about the Skrull Infiltration, I will now propose an entirely new theory, which I am 99.99% certain is NOT what they’re going to do (but nonetheless, it’s fun being a conspiracy theorist). It requires some leaps and speculation, but come along for the ride.

Spider-Man’s One More Day story is a Skrull plot. Why? What do the Skrulls give two shits about some teacher from Queens who punches purse-snatchers and bad guys dressed like pokemon? I’ll get to that.

Aunt May is shot during the Superhero Civil War. She goes into a coma and the prognosis does not look good. This much is true. Also, neither Spider-Man nor Mary Jane is a Skrull.

During the unfortunate circumstances surrounding the incapacitation of Aunt May, a “miracle” comes out of nowhere in the form of the shape-shifting malevolent demon Mephisto. He gives the Parkers a sadistic choice, and offers Spider-Man a trade that is nothing short of baffling, when you consider the character making the offer. I submit to you that Mephisto is a Skrull, and the choice is merely a diversion to get rid of Mary Jane. Why? I’ll get to that in just a second.

Spider-Man takes the bait, Mary Jane surprisingly jumps first, and everything changes. Aunt May’s house is back. Aunt May herself, is back. Mary Jane is gone, and nobody remembers Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Furthermore, Harry Osborn is back from the dead and nobody at all seems the least bit surprised.

It is my theory that Spider-Man gleaned something especially important/vital to the overall Skrull plot during the Secret War. We have no idea exactly how long they were in Latveria, or what even happened during the first fight which ultimately (and literally) brought the house down. As we’ve seen from Bendis’ House of M, Spider-Man is also a bit of a wanderer. I’m guessing Spider-Man found out more than he bargained for, and the Skrulls ultimately found out. However, through their connections with S.H.I.E.L.D., they also knew he was due for a memory wipe anyway, so live and let live. Secret’s safe.

But Spider-Man remembers. Or at least, some aspect about Parker they didn’t count on caused him to retain certain aspects of his memory from the events in question. They needed to know how much he remembered, because he could blow the lid off the whole operation if he remembered.

Then he fell in with Tony Stark, who was too well guarded. Plus, he got a new suit which feeds information directly to Stark. Since they couldn’t replace Stark, they couldn’t risk tampering with the genuine Spider-Man for fear of being discovered. So they watched and waited. As long as he stayed with Stark and kept consistent, they could monitor him from afar (or nearby, through other agents) without too much trouble.

Then Spider-Man did something else they didn’t expect: he revealed his secret identity. Suddenly he was fair game for any nutjob who wanted a piece of him. This had to stop. Too many variables for the Skrulls, who at this point we can all agree, are pretty meticulous and hate things being out of their control. So they concocted a scheme to keep Spider-Man under wraps, keep him off everyone’s radar, and get an agent or two nice and close to the guy, just to make sure certain aspects of his unique (and yet-unknown) physiology didn’t overwrite their memory wipe. They could put the genie back in the bottle pretty easily. After all, they’ve infiltrated world governments, peacekeeping task forces. They can watch one guy with a penchant for complaining. Plus, with their connections to A.I.M., they have a world-wide memory-wiping machine.

Enter Mephisto. Wham-bam, thank you ma’am, Spidey (and the world, for that matter) is practically reset. He doesn’t remember MJ (the x-factor, the one person who practically never left his side who might just fuck everything up in some way they can’t foresee), he sure as hell doesn’t remember what happened in the Secret War, his Aunt May is back (and is in miraculously good health, and interested in politics all-of-a-sudden). And an added bonus: for no reason at all, his best buddy in the whole wide world is back from the dead and interested in hanging out.

With no wife, he’s basically alone, with no consistent influence over his thoughts, feelings and ideas. A best friend is a pretty great cover-up for someone interested in keeping tabs on somebody. “No problem,” the Skrulls can report. “The secret is fucking buried under two memory wipes and the guy’s own paralyzing neurosis. But just in case that spider-sense (or whatever it is about him) kicks in, we’ll be there to finish the job.”

So there you have it. Spidey’s got some big super-secret Skrull plot stored away in his noggin, or some Invasion-blowing secret, and the Skrulls need to keep him under wraps without taking him out, unless absolutely necessary. Why? Maybe the info is crucial, or maybe he found something out that they didn’t figure out. Bendis does like a smart Spidey. Could be anything, really. Until, of course, the Secret Invasion finally hits.

There you have it. “Status-quo” for Spidey is restored for the marriage-haters, continuity for the No-Prizers. The fans get a few interesting stories out of the deal, and everything’s back to the way it was around 2003 by summertime.

Or not. ;)

I have a funny idea. Maybe. It's long, so I hope you'll indulge me.

In 1998, there was a story in which Captain America and Iron Man used an A.I.M. satellite to make everyone in the world forget Iron Man was Tony Stark. A.I.M. has ties to Hydra and S.H.I.E.L.D., and Nick Fury is knowledgeable about nearly all of it, including A.I.M.'s notorious operations.

Infiltrated Skrulls, using their established connections within S.H.I.E.L.D. and Hydra, catch wind of this and other projects created and originated by A.I.M., including the Super-Adaptoid. In Bendis’ own books, we’ve seen A.I.M. scientists performing surgery on Jessica Drew for her spider powers, and the second Black Widow’s transformation to the second Super-Adaptoid. It is here where the Skrulls infiltrate A.I.M.

Having infiltrated nearly all areas of world government/organizations, the Skrulls required the deposing of Doctor Doom, who may become a political liability in the future Skrull regime. Using their connections as a top official within the US Government, the Skrulls oust Doc Doom and replace him with one of their own: Lucia Von Bardas.

Using her newfound leadership position, she assists her Empire in operations that include funding super-powered criminals through the Tinkerer, resulting in the eventual "Secret War." Nick Fury catches wind of this plan and attempts to notify this top-ranking US official (in all probability, the President himself). In what appears to be an act of weakness, the President attempts to avoid a political fiasco. In actuality, the Skrull acting as the President means to protect the Empire's recently-established interests in Latveria.

Nick Fury takes members of the superhero community and goes against the orders of the United States, toppling the Latverian government (once again), now dethroning Prime Minister Lucia Von Bardas. It is here where we find ourselves at a critical juncture point.

Fury brainwashes his team-members (save Black Widow and “Quake”) and sends them on their way. The only member who remembers anything close to the happenings without S.H.I.E.L.D. clearance is Spider-Man, who for reasons yet unexplained, has flashes in his memory which depict some of the events during the Secret War. Everything goes to hell, and Lucia Von Bardas is “shut down,” and her condition still remains unknown. She was believed dead, but we saw no body (and nothing to revert back to). Almost immediately after this, Nick Fury goes underground.

While all this is pretty interesting and leads to some great questions about the Skrull Infiltration, I will now propose an entirely new theory, which I am 99.99% certain is NOT what they’re going to do (but nonetheless, it’s fun being a conspiracy theorist). It requires some leaps and speculation, but come along for the ride.

Spider-Man’s One More Day story is a Skrull plot. Why? What do the Skrulls give two shits about some teacher from Queens who punches purse-snatchers and bad guys dressed like pokemon? I’ll get to that.

Aunt May is shot during the Superhero Civil War. She goes into a coma and the prognosis does not look good. This much is true. Also, neither Spider-Man nor Mary Jane is a Skrull.

During the unfortunate circumstances surrounding the incapacitation of Aunt May, a “miracle” comes out of nowhere in the form of the shape-shifting malevolent demon Mephisto. He gives the Parkers a sadistic choice, and offers Spider-Man a trade that is nothing short of baffling, when you consider the character making the offer. I submit to you that Mephisto is a Skrull, and the choice is merely a diversion to get rid of Mary Jane. Why? I’ll get to that in just a second.

Spider-Man takes the bait, Mary Jane surprisingly jumps first, and everything changes. Aunt May’s house is back. Aunt May herself, is back. Mary Jane is gone, and nobody remembers Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Furthermore, Harry Osborn is back from the dead and nobody at all seems the least bit surprised.

It is my theory that Spider-Man gleaned something especially important/vital to the overall Skrull plot during the Secret War. We have no idea exactly how long they were in Latveria, or what even happened during the first fight which ultimately (and literally) brought the house down. As we’ve seen from Bendis’ House of M, Spider-Man is also a bit of a wanderer. I’m guessing Spider-Man found out more than he bargained for, and the Skrulls ultimately found out. However, through their connections with S.H.I.E.L.D., they also knew he was due for a memory wipe anyway, so live and let live. Secret’s safe.

But Spider-Man remembers. Or at least, some aspect about Parker they didn’t count on caused him to retain certain aspects of his memory from the events in question. They needed to know how much he remembered, because he could blow the lid off the whole operation if he remembered.

Then he fell in with Tony Stark, who was too well guarded. Plus, he got a new suit which feeds information directly to Stark. Since they couldn’t replace Stark, they couldn’t risk tampering with the genuine Spider-Man for fear of being discovered. So they watched and waited. As long as he stayed with Stark and kept consistent, they could monitor him from afar (or nearby, through other agents) without too much trouble.

Then Spider-Man did something else they didn’t expect: he revealed his secret identity. Suddenly he was fair game for any nutjob who wanted a piece of him. This had to stop. Too many variables for the Skrulls, who at this point we can all agree, are pretty meticulous and hate things being out of their control. So they concocted a scheme to keep Spider-Man under wraps, keep him off everyone’s radar, and get an agent or two nice and close to the guy, just to make sure certain aspects of his unique (and yet-unknown) physiology didn’t overwrite their memory wipe. They could put the genie back in the bottle pretty easily. After all, they’ve infiltrated world governments, peacekeeping task forces. They can watch one guy with a penchant for complaining. Plus, with their connections to A.I.M., they have a world-wide memory-wiping machine.

Enter Mephisto. Wham-bam, thank you ma’am, Spidey (and the world, for that matter) is practically reset. He doesn’t remember MJ (the x-factor, the one person who practically never left his side who might just fuck everything up in some way they can’t foresee), he sure as hell doesn’t remember what happened in the Secret War, his Aunt May is back (and is in miraculously good health, and interested in politics all-of-a-sudden). And an added bonus: for no reason at all, his best buddy in the whole wide world is back from the dead and interested in hanging out.

With no wife, he’s basically alone, with no consistent influence over his thoughts, feelings and ideas. A best friend is a pretty great cover-up for someone interested in keeping tabs on somebody. “No problem,” the Skrulls can report. “The secret is fucking buried under two memory wipes and the guy’s own paralyzing neurosis. But just in case that spider-sense (or whatever it is about him) kicks in, we’ll be there to finish the job.”

So there you have it. Spidey’s got some big super-secret Skrull plot stored away in his noggin, or some Invasion-blowing secret, and the Skrulls need to keep him under wraps without taking him out, unless absolutely necessary. Why? Maybe the info is crucial, or maybe he found something out that they didn’t figure out. Bendis does like a smart Spidey. Could be anything, really. Until, of course, the Secret Invasion finally hits.

There you have it. “Status-quo” for Spidey is restored for the marriage-haters, continuity for the No-Prizers. The fans get a few interesting stories out of the deal, and everything’s back to the way it was around 2003 by summertime.

Or not. ;)

Well, I was on the fence before, but now I'm fairly certain that you're a Skrull or a Skrull agent. ;)

You do get points for bringing up the Cap/ Iron Man shared annual though. I hadn't thought that we might learn more about Secret War through this. There's a lot of story missing in there that we didn't know might pertain to anything back then. How in the world are there going to be enough comics to cover all this??

Sorry but wha-huh?

OMD is not related to SI that was the genuine Mephisto. And regarding Lucia Von Bardas she was working under her own agenda nothing Skrully went on with the heroes as far as we know.

And in addition the only reason the US was able to install her was because Doom was in hell. You actually think the US by itself could take on Doctor Doom?

There are so many nitpicks I have with the post :\.

Yeah, I'm sorry guys but Bendis already said Secret Invasion is not going to be used as a "Continuity-Fixing-Bullet".

Yeah, I'm sorry guys but Bendis already said Secret Invasion is not going to be used as a "Continuity-Fixing-Bullet".

And I don't see them undoing all the work they put into OMD/BND so soon. And Amazing Spider-Man isn't going to tie into Secret Invasion, and you'd think it would if BND was somehow related to it.

And I don't see them undoing all the work they put into OMD/BND so soon. And Amazing Spider-Man isn't going to tie into Secret Invasion, and you'd think it would if BND was somehow related to it.

And I'm pretty sure they're going to release a Spider-Man SI mini alongside the Fantastic Four mini.

Also any idea how the Eternals fit in with Herc and the God Squad? I have a bad feeling it's just going to be just some pages of them trying to nab Herc, then Herc finds out about SI, the Skrull Gods, and sets up the God Squad to kick their asses.

But then again this is Greg Pak and Fred Van Lente I just really hope that they incorporate the Eternals into the God Squad or some other way into SI since this is way too big for them to ignore, if they took on the Deviants to free mankind why not help again?

And the next cards in the deck.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13064

EARTH'S MOST WANTED: THE EIGHTS

The Skrulls’ “Secret Invasion” of Earth won’t be easy. Many super powered champions, both good and evil, stand ready to defend their planet. But as Marvel’s Tom Brevoort has shown us in previous installments of EARTH’S MOST WANTED, the Skrulls have a plan for dealing with Earth’s defenders. In today’s installment we get more hints of their plan as Brevoort helps us reveal the Eights in the Skrulls’ Secret Invasion Poker Deck.

EIGHT OF SPADES - MARIA HILL

Maria Hill doesn’t know all the details of the Skrulls invasion plans, but her rapid ascension through the ranks of S.H.I.E.L.D. to the position of Director over more qualified candidates has certainly made her suspect that her superiors might be harboring a hidden and sinister agenda. Hill’s suspicions and position of power could rob the Skrulls of one of their biggest weapons -- the power of surprise

Forewarned means forearmed and in her current position as Deputy Director of S.H.I.E.L.D, Hill is definitely armed. Should something happen to current Director Tony Stak AKA Iron Man, Hill is capable of stepping up and using the resources of S.H.I.E.L.D. to their fullest potential. She may not have the years of leadership experience Nick Fury had, but she’s shown a remarkable aptitude for making difficult decisions.

Hills suspicions and position of power means she’s a threat to the Skrulls plans and one they'd likely want to neutralize. But instead of trying to replace her, which could tip Hill to their plans should it fail, they’re more apt to use psychological warfare. “She doesn't have the experience that others in her position might have been able to bring to bear,” Brevoort explained. “And she's aware of it, which could slow her up with self-doubt at a critical moment.”

EIGHT OF HEARTS - AMADEUS CHO

Teenagers are supposed to live in their own little world and not be aware of things like the subtle and sinister machinations of an alien invasion force, but Amadeus Cho, “The 7th Smartest Person in the World,” is not your typical teenager. “Amadeus Cho is a wild card, one who's been able to stay one step ahead of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the conventional authorities, and to accomplish things that he really shouldn't have been able to accomplish,” Brevoort explained. “So that makes him especially dangerous -- particularly since the Skrulls are unlikely to have factored him into their plans at the outset.

“I think it's more his profile that makes them underestimate him, rather than his age. Until ‘World War Hulk,’ he really hadn't come to the attention of many people,” Brevoort continued. “Now that he has, though, he'd be a critical asset to neutralize if the Skrulls thought he might tumble to their plans.”

Replacing Cho would give the Skrulls many advantages, the greatest being it would eliminate someone who could devise a way to detect them. Cho is also infamous for finding and exploiting holes in the plans of large organizations like S.H.I.E.L.D. In his adventures, Amadeus has come to befriend heroes like Hercules and the Atlantean princess Namora.

Like most teens, Amadeus has a disdain and distrust for authority, like like Iron Man and groups like S.H.I.E.L.D., which is something the Skrulls have certainly noticed. “Amadeus has shown a penchant for wanting to side with the underdog, or with anybody whose situation in some way mirrors his own, or that he feels an empathy with,” Brevoort remarked. “So it's possible that they could convert him to the Skrull cause without any need for a complex deception."

EIGHT OF DIAMONDS - BEAST

If one were to look at the X-Men’s Beast without getting to know him, his monstrous appearance would make the most impact. But beneath Dr. Henry McCoy’s bestial exterior lies a keen intellect. “I think the Skrulls are quite aware of the beast's capabilities as a scientist,” Brevoort explained. “So in that capacity, he's potentially as dangerous to them as Hank Pym, Tony Stark or Reed Richards.”

In order to maintain one of their biggest tactical advantages, the ability to operate on Earth undetected, the Skrulls will want to neutralize or replace Beast. “If they replace Beast, they eliminate a player who stands a decent chance of being able to find a way through their camouflage,” Brevoort said.

EIGHT OF CLUBS - CYCLOPS

Conquering a planet where a portion of the populace has evolved to possess superhuman abilities is a highly dangerous undertaking. So you can imagine the Skrulls were delighted by M-Day, the tragic day where most of the mutants in the Marvel Universe awoke to find their superhuman abilities gone. The treacherous shapeshifters should be even more excited by the news that Scott Summers, the leader of the X-Men, has disbanded the MU’s premier team of Mutant heroes. “It's a help to the Skrulls that there aren't any X-teams, in that it'd be easier to put down any resistance among the mutant population one by one,” Brevoort said. “Cyclops is in a key position as far as the remaining mutant population is concerned, in that he's shown a consistent ability to rally them around a cause. “If he were replaced by a Skrull, he could theoretically, I don't know, disband the X-Men and desert the X-Mansion.”

Replacing Cyclops gives the Skrulls an advantage on the battlefield as well. His optic blasts make Cyclops a dangerous opponent on his own, but Scott Summers is at his most dangerous when he’s leading a force into battle. Cyclops leadership skills have made the X-men one of the Marvel U’s most effective fighting units and his skills as a costumed general seem to be only second to that of the late Steve Rogers.

Should replacing Cyclops prove dangerous, the X-Men’s leader has other exploitable weaknesses. “He's been plagued by self-doubt in the past,” Brevoort said. “And his control of his powers is dependent on the technology of his visor.”

And I'm pretty sure they're going to release a Spider-Man SI mini alongside the Fantastic Four mini.

Also any idea how the Eternals fit in with Herc and the God Squad? I have a bad feeling it's just going to be just some pages of them trying to nab Herc, then Herc finds out about SI, the Skrull Gods, and sets up the God Squad to kick their asses.

But then again this is Greg Pak and Fred Van Lente I just really hope that they incorporate the Eternals into the God Squad or some other way into SI since this is way too big for them to ignore, if they took on the Deviants to free mankind why not help again?

It would be nice to see the Eternals again.

Something awesome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Helmhammerhand/1204141826144.jpg

Very cool.

does anyone remenber what books it was in where the skrulls posed as the x/men and then fought the FF and avengers

Something awesome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Helmhammerhand/1204141826144.jpg

whoa.

Here's my question: SI tie-in, or Avengers/Invaders?

Following up on Raphael's earlier post:

Path To Invasion (Wizard 198 Article)

Here's someone's synopsis from Newsarama

Kree-Skrull War Precursor (Avengers #93, page 23) - Doesn't really explain, but mentions something about Skrull Cows

The Skrull Firewall (Avengers #94, page 10) - Talks about different reasons why writters struggled with Skrulls infiltrating Earth. Kree Nega-Shield, Scientific Blocks & difficulty of re-creating the powers of heroes are listed)

Avengers Disbanded (Avengers #94, page 18) - Alien Activities Committee head H. Warren Craddock has the Avengers disband so the Skrulls can make their move.

Galactus Eats Skrull Homeworld (Fantastic Four #257, page 11) - Title explains all

The Trial of Reed Richards (Fantastic Four #262, page 8) - Remaining Skrulls blame Reed for above. Bendis says thay they view his as Osama Bin Laden & he's like Hitler to them. Brevoort says that they think all humans look alike too.

Training for Invading (X-Men #89, page 20) - X-Team transported to de facto Skrull throne-world. They see a training camp of impostors posing as earth heroes like Captain Marvel & Adam Warlock (i want to see a scan of this if anyone has one)

Secrets On The Slab (Uncanny X-Men #375, pages 33-34) - They return to Earth and find out that the Wolverine who died was actually a Skrull.


http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7501/xmenv208921rougheryh9.jpg

I just noticed something...I just re-read the third/final Pulse TPB (the Gaydos issues)...I wanted to see if I noticed anything interesting when the baby is being born (delivered by Dr. Strange)...

While I noticed nothing unusual in the birth, I did however see many of the "insects" similar to what we have all noticed in NA #7 (Iron Man flicking insect off his helmet)...

whoa.

Here's my question: SI tie-in, or Avengers/Invaders?

It's done by Steve Epting and Brubaker has said Cap is not going to be tying in with current events so no. And I'm guessing them insects are Skrulls. Was she giving birth at the Sanctum Sanctorum or was it at their apartment?

I don't think anyone posted this but some interesting stuff from Ms. Marvel 25 preview. makes me wonder.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/022908prev1.html

Was she giving birth at the Sanctum Sanctorum or was it at their apartment?

Sanctum Sanctorum

Sanctum Sanctorum

Then there's no reason them bugs should be there. I call it Skrulls.

Then there's no reason them bugs should be there. I call it Skrulls.

Help me out, where am I looking? I gave it a flip through in the shop, didn't see a thing.

Help me out, where am I looking? I gave it a flip through in the shop, didn't see a thing.

I haven't read the Pulse my friend :\. Sorry.

Something awesome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Helmhammerhand/1204141826144.jpg

In the solicits for an upcoming issue of Cap, it says something like "and is he the only one running around in a Cap costume?"

"he" referring to Bucky/Cap (who I actually fucking love, and wouldn't mind seeing stick around for a while).

Dude!

Marvel Comics’ greatest heroes face exposed adversaries, universal turmoil and their greatest threat – each other – in Secret Invasion #1 (FEB08 2240, $3.99), the 56-page beginning of the eight-issue limited series that anchors Marvel’s first major event of 2008!

Readers have loyally tracked events to this point via tie-in stories in numerous Marvel titles and are primed for the explosive action orchestrated by writer Brian Michel Bendis and artist Leinil Francis Yu in this cornerstone issue. The intrigue begins as the fiendish replacement of one member in every super-hero organization with a shape-shifting Skrull forces the Marvel heroes to question each other even as they join to fight for humanity’s survival. All this, plus four Skrull reveals and three major universe-changing events in this issue alone, should make this a can’t-miss event for fans!

The full-color premiere is set to ship on April 2.
http://previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=216&ai=67492&ssd=

Four Skrull reveals on the first issue. That's big. Can't imagine what's going to happen when the series kicks into high gear.

The intrigue begins as the fiendish replacement of one member in every super-hero organization with a shape-shifting Skrull forces the Marvel heroes to question each other even as they join to fight for humanity’s survival. All this, plus four Skrull reveals and three major universe-changing events in this issue alone, should make this a can’t-miss event for fans!

Speculation time? Let's start by narrowing down the "teams"

New Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Fantastic Four
X-Men / X-Universe
Thunderbolts
The Initiative

This may or may not have been posted, but does anyone else find it odd that sometimes Tony Stark has brown eyes, and then blue eyes other times? I always thought he had blue eyes, and I've seen this change from one page to another.

The intrigue begins as the fiendish replacement of one member in every super-hero organization with a shape-shifting Skrull forces the Marvel heroes to question each other even as they join to fight for humanity’s survival. All this, plus four Skrull reveals and three major universe-changing events in this issue alone, should make this a can’t-miss event for fans!

Speculation time? Let's start by narrowing down the "teams"

New Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Fantastic Four
X-Men / X-Universe
Thunderbolts
The Initiative

I'm not sure that we should take that line literally just yet. No one in the FF is a Skrull. If anything, someone will get replaced in SI, then come back in the FF mini.

I'm not sure that we should take that line literally just yet. No one in the FF is a Skrull. If anything, someone will get replaced in SI, then come back in the FF mini.

There's definitely a Skrull in FF. It doesn't have to be Reed or Sue though.

Valeria or Franklin would work well.

There's definitely a Skrull in FF. It doesn't have to be Reed or Sue though.

I heard somewhere that Lyja may be a Skrull...(no, wait...that makes no sense at all)

There's definitely a Skrull in FF. It doesn't have to be Reed or Sue though.

Valeria or Franklin would work well.

If Millar's book is steering clear of the Skrulls as he claims, then I highly doubt it. If anything, I'm gonna say someone gets replaced in SI #1, and that becomes a plot thread in SI: FF.

Missing the point, focusing on semantics.

The whole point is, there's supposedly a Skrull on every TEAM. FF is a team, hence their inclusion on the list.

That isn't saying "OMG!! FF#4 has a Skrull reveal?!?!"

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http://comics.ign.com/articles/852/852785p1.html


The invasion has started, and no one in the MU is safe, not even the First Family of Comicdom! Aware that some of the Earth's most advanced technology and weaponry is housed in the Baxter Building, the Skrulls have neutralized the building--by transporting it and its inhabitants straight to the Negative Zone!

With one member of the Fantastic Four M.I.A. and another "replaced," it's up to the remaining family members--not to mention Franklin and Val—to get back to our dimension, Skrulls or no Skrulls. But are any of our heroes who they think they are?


Cover to SI:FF #1

http://media.comics.ign.com/media/962/962808/img_5279230.html

IGN Comics: The first spin-off series is revealed today in the form of Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four. What can you tell us about this series? How closely associated with the core series is it? Is this a case where the main series starts some trouble but has to move along and can't revisit the ramifications of what has just happened?

Brevoort: Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four does jump off directly from a sequence in Secret Invasion #1, but from there it charts its own path through its three issues, only dovetailing back into the main storyline again at the very end. And again, we made this a dedicated series so as not to interrupt the story-flow that Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch have going on the regular FF title. And for long-time FF fans, this series promises the return of a character that readers in certain quarters have been asking about for a long time now, one who'll make this a very personal story indeed for the FF.

When asked about SI during an interview, I think Millar also said that "someone on the team isn't who they say they are". He didn't elaborate, and I suppose that could be interpreted in a number of ways and it could just be Millar trying to boost sales and garner attention for his thing, but that seemed rather Skrully.

When asked about SI during an interview, I think Millar also said that "someone on the team isn't who they say they are". He didn't elaborate, and I suppose that could be interpreted in a number of ways and it could just be Millar trying to boost sales and garner attention for his thing, but that seemed rather Skrully.

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=78154



One of the team is not who they seem in the first few issues. Does this tie into Secret Invasion? Only time will tell. But all will be clear in a few months time. In the meantime, watch for clues.


Not everyone is convinced, however, with one Millarworld fan writing:

“Mark Millar, current writer of Fantastic Four,who once said his next book with Bryan Hitch, was not going to be Fantastic Four, says that after years of event comics, his run will tie into Secret Invasion somehow. I hope your chair isn’t too fancy Mr. Millar, because I believe it could catch from your pants on fire.”

Millar’s response is interesting:


“Yep. we never once said we weren’t doing FF. I made no comment. As for Skrulls, all I said was one of the team will be revealed not to be who they seem. That can mean ANY NUMBER of things.”


While Mark definitely didn’t say that they weren’t doing Fantastic Four, didn’t he say that no-one had guessed correctly after someone had suggested FF? And didn’t Hitch say outright that it wasn’t Fantastic Four?


My lips are sealed. And it'll be six or seven issues down the line before the identity is confirmed. But in this first storyline one of the team is an imposter. That is all I'm saying.

I know that we've been down on the Greg Horn Who Can You Trust pictures, but this one kinda scared me at first. It just looks different from all the rest.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/secretinvasion/WhoDoYouTrustk.jpg

I know that we've been down on the Greg Horn Who Can You Trust pictures, but this one kinda scared me at first. It just looks different from all the rest.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/secretinvasion/WhoDoYouTrustk.jpg

Best one by far. That's a wonderfully creepy image.

Yeah, creepy.



Notice also that the Skrull is turning invisible. Back when the FF were first replaced by Skrulls, the one that replaced the Invisible Woman had to simulate her invisibility powers by shrinking in size faster than the eye could see.

Maybe I'm wrong. One per team seems like a lot. This change anyone's guesses?

I still say Black Widow or Wonder Man on the Mighty Avengers. There's been WAY too much done with Ares and Sentry, and way too many story possibilities.

Maybe I'm wrong. One per team seems like a lot. This change anyone's guesses?

I think there might be a bit of a time jump for the beginning of SI. That is to say, the series won't pick up exactly from a certain point in the titles that are leading up to it (Mighty and New Avengers) like say, Infinite Crisis did, but rather, the first issue will start a few months down the line during which point the Skrulls will have carried out many more replacements.

There's definitely a Skrull in FF. It doesn't have to be Reed or Sue though.

Valeria or Franklin would work well.

I pulled a page out of the Diamond magazine to put up in the store on SI: FF mini and I want to say that the copy beneath said something to the affect of it being a betrayal but not necessarily by a team member. Granted the FF has suffered a terrible lack of supporting cast like many other Marvel titles in recent years, but there is Franklin, Valeria, Black Panther, Storm perhaps, and others close to the FF family. Whoever it is though has to be someone still recognizable in Skrull form and with that energy signature around them. Does that make sense? If Franklin is a Skrull then it would be difficult to illustrate him both in and adult body and as a Skrull so that the reader knew from the cover what was going on. You follow?

I think there might be a bit of a time jump for the beginning of SI. That is to say, the series won't pick up exactly from a certain point in the titles that are leading up to it (Mighty and New Avengers) like say, Infinite Crisis did, but rather, the first issue will start a few months down the line during which point the Skrulls will have carried out many more replacements.

Kinda seems like a bit of a cheat. The mystery isn't as much fun if you can't attempt to solve it.

I pulled a page out of the Diamond magazine to put up in the store on SI: FF mini and I want to say that the copy beneath said something to the affect of it being a betrayal but not necessarily by a team member. Granted the FF has suffered a terrible lack of supporting cast like many other Marvel titles in recent years, but there is Franklin, Valeria, Black Panther, Storm perhaps, and others close to the FF family. Whoever it is though has to be someone still recognizable in Skrull form and with that energy signature around them. Does that make sense? If Franklin is a Skrull then it would be difficult to illustrate him both in and adult body and as a Skrull so that the reader knew from the cover what was going on. You follow?

Alicia Masters?

Alicia Masters?

Again, if Alicia Masters was drawn as a Skrull on the cover holding the Thing and Human Torch like that, would you be able to tell what that was and want to buy the issue? Alan Davis is talented so I think that whatever it is will be something cool and eye catching.

Again, if Alicia Masters was drawn as a Skrull on the cover holding the Thing and Human Torch like that, would you be able to tell what that was and want to buy the issue? Alan Davis is talented so I think that whatever it is will be something cool and eye catching.

Are you saying that Alan Davis isn't up to the task of making Alicia Masters Skrull look badass and interesting enough to make someone buy the issue?

I think it'd be funny if it was Herbie.

Are you saying that Alan Davis isn't up to the task of making Alicia Masters Skrull look badass and interesting enough to make someone buy the issue?

I think it'd be funny if it was Herbie.

I'm saying Alan Davis is great, but it needs to be "are you kidding me, fill-in-the-blank is a Skrull?!" And other than being blind and blonde what does Alicia look like? The Skrull would practically have to have a name tag so you would know who it was from the cover art. Now if it was Storm, you could automatically tell from the remaining costume who it was. That's just an example, hopefully someone gets my point.

I'm saying Alan Davis is great, but it needs to be "are you kidding me, fill-in-the-blank is a Skrull?!" And other than being blind and blonde what does Alicia look like? The Skrull would practically have to have a name tag so you would know who it was from the cover art. Now if it was Storm, you could automatically tell from the remaining costume who it was. That's just an example, hopefully someone gets my point.

No, I get your point, but I don't think it's as necessary as you do. For one, it's a Secret Invasion crossover. That's going to sell it alone. And remember, the blacked out characters who were killed in the Messiah Complex issues that turned out to be...random mutants. But because they were blocked out, speculation ran wild. And because the story was good, no one cared when it really wasn't anyone important.

All it really needs to be is a Skrull with some of the features of whoever it was mimicking to work.

No, I get your point, but I don't think it's as necessary as you do. For one, it's a Secret Invasion crossover. That's going to sell it alone. And remember, the blacked out characters who were killed in the Messiah Complex issues that turned out to be...random mutants. But because they were blocked out, speculation ran wild. And because the story was good, no one cared when it really wasn't anyone important.

All it really needs to be is a Skrull with some of the features of whoever it was mimicking to work.

You know, looking at the cover again, reality is all warpy behind the characters. People are floating upwards, physical structures are in flux, everything is purplish too. What could that be? What does that have to do with anything? Hmm....

Preview for next week's Mighty Avengers! (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/120483973384962.htm)

Finally we get to see the other half of the flashback scene in the Sentry arc of New Avengers (the second storyline) and it looks like we have a front row seat!

Wow, cool.

Haha! Notice the little ads at the bottom of the pages! That's awesome.

And...jeez, poor Sentry. He must feel so horrible.

Haha! Notice the little ads at the bottom of the pages! That's awesome.

That really is. Bendis has a knack for cool little shit like that.

From Newsarama:

Marvel’s Editor-in-Chief, Joe Quesada, was signing autographs at the Hero Initiative booth, and he was more than happy to share a few tidbits. With regards to Peter David’s recent comments that the last page of the first issue of Secret Invasion would “crack the internet” and be a huge shock to fans, Joe simply replied, “We love Peter David.”

Discuss...

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/031008marvelmondays.html

BIG SPOILERS FOR SI: FF #1


[MARVEL MONDAYS] 'SECRET INVASION: FANTASTIC FOUR'
An exclusive chat with writer Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa as he rejoins Marvel’s first family for a Skrull-driven trip to the Negative Zone

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It’s been a little while since Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa has been popping up on the superhero map.

After wrapping his ongoing run on Marvel’s Sensational Spider-Man in light of the changes to the character brought on by “One More Day,” the writer picked up and moved from his home in New York to the City of Angels as a Hollywood writing gig beckoned.

“I became a staff writer this year on [HBO’s] ‘Big Love,’ and then of course, the strike happened,” laughs Aguirre-Sacasa.

Of course, like so many other writers, he took the strike as an opportunity to catch up with the comics world, and this Spring, Aguirre-Sacasa has plenty of new projects coming from Marvel, the biggest of which is Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four, a three-issue mini series which ties into the publisher’s biggest summer event and drawn by Barry Kitson (The Order, Legion of Super-Heroes).

Aguirre-Sacasa took a few minutes in between his various gigs to give Wizard Universe an exclusive look into the mini series from which members of the Fantastic Four loom largest in its pages, how the Negative Zone and the Baxter Building make for a deadly combination and what exactly is up with its mysterious first cover.

WIZARD: Roberto, it’s been a while since we’ve seen you contributing to a big time Marvel book like this. What have you been up to lately, and why are you coming back to the main Marvel U with Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four?

AGUIRRE-SACASA: When I ended my run on Sensational because of “One More Day” and all that stuff, that was around the same time I figured out I was going to be coming to Los Angeles. So I thought I better not get on a monthly book and certainly not a book like Spider-Man that would require tons of coordination with other books. And I don’t think that would have been feasible with my television schedule. And also, I kind of wanted to—my strengths in terms of comic book writing have been doing more off beat stuff. There’s a limit to what you can do with icons like Spider-Man.

That said, I had a really terrific time doing the Fantastic Four, so when the opportunity came up to do a mini series with them to tie-in with Secret Invasion—well, usually when something like that comes along, I immediately say “No, thank you.” Again, I don’t want to spend a lot of time coordinating with a huge event. It’s just not what excites me. But any chance I get to write the Fantastic Four, I will do it. So that’s what happened. Also, I read [the scripts for] Secret Invasion, and I really liked what Brian Bendis was doing with it, and I thought, “Oh! This could be fun.”

But in truth, since I rolled off Sensational, I wrote a miniseries that’s being drawn by Adam Pollina focusing on the X-Man Angel. I wrote a Max book that’s coming out right now called Dead of Night that focuses on Man-Thing. I wrote an issue of Young Avengers that focuses on Speed and Wiccan. So I’ve been keeping busy with stuff that’s been rolling out right now, but it had been a while since I’d gone to my local comic book shop and picked up a book by me, so it’s kind of nice to be back in the game. Of course, I took all this stuff on, and now the writer’s strike ended, and I’m working two full-time jobs. But that’s okay. It’s better to have that problem than other problems.

Now, one of the reasons for this series seems to be that the regular FF book won’t be able to play with any of the Skrull action of Secret Invasion because of Millar and Hitch’s ongoing storylines. Is that pretty accurate?

There’s definitely that element to it. It definitely ties in very, very directly to Secret Invasion and the Marvel Universe at large. I even quote a couple of direct panels from Secret Invasion to line us up exactly with it. Now, that said—and people always say this, but I really mean it this time—you really can read this completely separate from Secret Invasion. Everything you need is in the issues. And vice versa. Of course you don’t need to read my mini series to enjoy Secret Invasion, but they really do dovetail nicely, I think.

In your run on Marvel Knights 4, you had the opportunity to work with every member of the FF family to varying degrees. With three issues to work with in this series, are you going to be using one specific member as your focus character for this story?

I wouldn’t say I give every member of the Fantastic Four even time because—at the risk of being a tease—one member might not be who they say they are. One member is completely knocked out of the picture very early on. But I will say that there is a surprising amount of focus on the family in the miniseries.

That said, I think part of what people responded to in 4—those that responded to it—was the off beat, more personal stories. This feels much more like Fantastic Four not so much as soap opera as it is as space opera. If my stuff on 4 was more Stan Lee and about the emotional relationships, this is much more Kirby-esque. It’s about big cosmic adventure.

Well, with a series heavily involving the Negative Zone, I would hope so. Speaking of which, what can you say about how this story rolls out in terms of the Skrulls plans for their oldest foes?

First of all, you’re completely right. The Negative Zone is about as Kirby-esque as it gets. And it’s one of the defining elements of the FF universe. It was discovered in Fantastic Four and has been used throughout the universe ever since then. And I never told a story set in the Negative Zone during 4, so I thought, “That was the one place I never got to visit during 4.”

And this is very directly tied. While the “Secret Invasion” is happening, the Skrulls figure out that the team most likely to foil the invasion is the Fantastic Four, and the technology most likely to identify the Skrulls is in the Baxter Building, so they very smartly decide that one of the first things they’re going to do is get rid of the Baxter Building. And they send it to the Negative Zone with no way of getting back. And even more dangerously, there’s an anomaly in the Negative Zone that’s sort of a black hole which is what sucks the Baxter Building into the Negative Zone, and that hole is continuing to expand above New York—the feat being that the entire island of Manhattan might get sucked into the Negative Zone if they can’t get back home and stop that from happening.

So, the Negative Zone is a big part of the mini series, and I’d say it’s like its own character in it.


The solicitations for issue #1 feature a cover by Alan Davis that’s…how should we say…obscured? Is this supposed to be a hint that there’s a twist involving one of the FF coming early in the series?

Absolutely. That’s the first time that that’s ever happened to one of my covers where that type of gimmick is used, and I think part of the fun of Secret Invasion is guessing who is a Skrull and who isn’t a Skrull.

So I think that’s part of it, but it’s also a really neat metaphor for the Fantastic Four as a family. Reed and Sue are this couple that have been married for such a long time, and the idea that a person you love, a person in your family, a person who you marry is not exactly who he or she says he or she is—I think that’s a really potent metaphor. And in all families I think sometimes you wake up and say, “God, I’m not a part of this. I’m really not.” It’s the kind of metaphor that resonated on a real emotional, thematic level with the Fantastic Four.

With writing on “Big Love” to do and this series, it seems like you’ll be dealing with that non-traditional family idea a lot in the coming months.

It’s funny, when I first met with the two creators of “Big Love” that’s exactly what they said. They said, “We read your plays and looked at some of your comic book work, and this is all about a non-traditional family, as is the Fantastic Four.” That surprised me. I hadn’t thought of them that way, but it’s true.

Finally, what’s it been like working with Barry Kitson so far on this series?

He’s a dream. Does it get better than Barry? He’s also literally one of the nicest, most personable human beings on the planet. He’s dynamite. I could not say more about him, and he’s really inclusive, meaning he keeps me very involved in his sketches and layout. And vice versa. As I write pages, I send them to him so he gets a preview of coming attractions. We’re very lucky to have him. And it makes this feel like an important series and not so much of a throw away, cashing in on this thing. I’m certainly not thinking of it that way.

BIG SPOILERS FOR SI: FF #1


Hasn't all of this already been publicly stated elsewhere?

Hasn't all of this already been publicly stated elsewhere?

Some of it.

And someone's bound to complain if it wasn't marked as a spoiler.

Hasn't all of this already been publicly stated elsewhere?

I still smell a swerve. The house ads for SI FF say that the team is betrayed by a friend, not a team mate. So, some information circulating must be a misdirect.

I wouldn’t say I give every member of the Fantastic Four even time because—at the risk of being a tease—one member might not be who they say they are. One member is completely knocked out of the picture very early on. But I will say that there is a surprising amount of focus on the family in the miniseries.


Seems to suggest that Reed is out of the picture early. Which leaves Ben, Johnny, and Sue.

Which would leave Johnny and Sue to explore the family stuff, which has been done to death.

I still think it's more than likely Franklin or Valeria, more than likely Franklin.

Some of it.

And someone's bound to complain if it wasn't marked as a spoiler.
Yes, and just because it's posted elsewhere doesn't mean everyone has seen it. So putting it in spoiler tags is a smart move. ;)

Seems to suggest that Reed is out of the picture early. Which leaves Ben, Johnny, and Sue.

Which would leave Johnny and Sue to explore the family stuff, which has been done to death.

I still think it's more than likely Franklin or Valeria, more than likely Franklin.

If it is Franklin why obscure the cover though? It could just be "a" Skrull holding Thing and the Torch. Whatever image it is must have some attributes of whoever is revealing themselves. And unless he's wearing a 4 1/2 shirt and blonde hair I don't see how it would be Franklin. Same with Valeria although I don't think that anyone has warmed up to her as a concept after several years. Honestly I forget she's even there.

I love the concept of just getting rid of the whole building that is packed with any number of things that could become vital tools. What's the plan for the X-men though? Do they get their own mini or something? Spider-man?

If it is Franklin why obscure the cover though? It could just be "a" Skrull holding Thing and the Torch. Whatever image it is must have some attributes of whoever is revealing themselves. And unless he's wearing a 4 1/2 shirt and blonde hair I don't see how it would be Franklin. Same with Valeria although I don't think that anyone has warmed up to her as a concept after several years. Honestly I forget she's even there.

I love the concept of just getting rid of the whole building that is packed with any number of things that could become vital tools. What's the plan for the X-men though? Do they get their own mini or something? Spider-man?

They've aged Franklin before and people still managed to recognize him.

Sure, it could just be a Skrull.

Regardless, if you can somehow see Dr. Strange as a Skrull, but can't fathom how they could portray Franklin in a recognizable form, I dunno what to say :)

They've aged Franklin before and people still managed to recognize him.

Sure, it could just be a Skrull.

Regardless, if you can somehow see Dr. Strange as a Skrull, but can't fathom how they could portray Franklin in a recognizable form, I dunno what to say :)

We shall see who has what to say, my good man. The story hasn't even begun yet! :)

Heh, just havin' a little fun while we're waiting :D

Heh, just havin' a little fun while we're waiting :D

I'll tell you this man, I officially don't want any more teaser, previews, or anything. Marvel won, we're onboard, we're plugged in. Both feet are in.

I think at this point to give more than they already have might be overkill. Anyone else feel that way?

I'll tell you this man, I officially don't want any more teaser, previews, or anything. Marvel won, we're onboard, we're plugged in. Both feet are in.

I think at this point to give more than they already have might be overkill. Anyone else feel that way?

Yup, 100%.

Variant for SI #1

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Nice old-school outfit on Sue. And is Wolverine sportin' the old whiskers cowl?

It seems like Marvel really wants us to think the Invisible Woman is a Skrull, but I'm thinking its Ben Grimm. Nobody would see that coming and there's plenty of weird shit that happened in the Thing's past to justify him becoming a Skrull.

Remember when he became all spikey? Or when he turned back into Ben Grimm on numerous occassions?

Having Sue and Johnny fighting to find Reed and Ben would be for a cool part of Secret Invasion.

It seems like Marvel really wants us to think the Invisible Woman is a Skrull, but I'm thinking its Ben Grimm. Nobody would see that coming and there's plenty of weird shit that happened in the Thing's past to justify him becoming a Skrull.

Remember when he became all spikey? Or when he turned back into Ben Grimm on numerous occassions?

Having Sue and Johnny fighting to find Reed and Ben would be for a cool part of Secret Invasion.

And like Jessica, he left the country during Civil War.. ;)

Either way, anything to get rid of that Ben meets Kirby in Heaven story.

I'd rather it be Franklin to fix his non-aging self over the years :P

And like Jessica, he left the country during Civil War.. ;)

Either way, anything to get rid of that Ben meets Kirby in Heaven story.

I'd rather it be Franklin to fix his non-aging self over the years :P

Yeah, that heaven story was kind of out there.

The more I think about it, the more I like the Thing being a Skrull idea, especially if its been for a long time. Maybe there never really was a cure for the Thing, but whenever one would be "discovered" the Skrull would change from rocky exterior to human or even spikey exterior, blaming it on various reasons.

The cover to the tie in of course could be explained as either a decoy or having the "real" Ben Grimm return. Or Marvel could be doing a double fake out by making us think Sue Storm isn't a Skrull by promoting that she is one and....my brain exploded.

If it is Franklin why obscure the cover though? It could just be "a" Skrull holding Thing and the Torch. Whatever image it is must have some attributes of whoever is revealing themselves. And unless he's wearing a 4 1/2 shirt and blonde hair I don't see how it would be Franklin. Same with Valeria although I don't think that anyone has warmed up to her as a concept after several years. Honestly I forget she's even there.

I love the concept of just getting rid of the whole building that is packed with any number of things that could become vital tools. What's the plan for the X-men though? Do they get their own mini or something? Spider-man?

Yep Spider-Man is getting his own mini. I'm pretty sure the same goes for the X-Men although X-Factor is tying in with Secret Invasion and crossing over with She-Hulk at the same time.

This at least lets us know where Messiah CompleX takes place in relation to Secret Invasion, but it's only making it easier to pin Wolverine as a Skrull.

Since how could he be running around fighting Marauders and Sentinels if he's hanging out with the New Avengers.

And like Jessica, he left the country during Civil War.. ;)

Either way, anything to get rid of that Ben meets Kirby in Heaven story.

I'd rather it be Franklin to fix his non-aging self over the years :P

And also Thing had a reason for leaving. One of the Yancy Streeters was used as a suicide bomber by Puppet Master and the Mad Thinker(?). And that pissed off Ben with both sides and caused him to leave.

Re-reading past issues of Mighty Avengers, Wonder Man is most assuredly a skrull. Not only that, but Bendis even knocks the reader over the head with that fact over and over again.

When Tony first discovers there might be a Skrull on his team, he adds Spiderwoman to the roster to see which of his team will freak out. When she joins up, Skrunder Man (heh.) instantly starts freaking out in the background thinking "Uh oh" and "Oh no" and "What is this?"

Also, when Tony is looking at the team and thinking "Who could be a Skrull" when every member is spotlighted, Wonder Man is actually pointing at himself when the question is asked, apparently showing off his new costume, but really he's saying to the reader, "Hey Look, its me! I'm a skrull!"

This might have been brought up in one of the previous posts, but if Wonderman was a skrull would his greatest fear (when Doc Strange caused each Mighty Avenger to face their worst fear) have really been the Grim Reaper? To me that would eliminate anyone we saw affected by the spell as their fears seemed accurate. Actually, I'm trying to remember if anyone wasn't present at that time, and the only one I'm uncertain about is Ms. Marvel. Of course if Strange was a skrull himself then who knows ...

This might have been brought up in one of the previous posts, but if Wonderman was a skrull would his greatest fear (when Doc Strange caused each Mighty Avenger to face their worst fear) have really been the Grim Reaper? To me that would eliminate anyone we saw affected by the spell as their fears seemed accurate. Actually, I'm trying to remember if anyone wasn't present at that time, and the only one I'm uncertain about is Ms. Marvel. Of course if Strange was a skrull himself then who knows ...

Except Professor X couldn't mentally tell the difference between Black Bolt and Skrull Bolt, so most likely, Dr Strange's magic couldn't tell the difference so it just created Wonder Man's darkest fear.

Yep Spider-Man is getting his own mini. I'm pretty sure the same goes for the X-Men although X-Factor is tying in with Secret Invasion and crossing over with She-Hulk at the same time.

This at least lets us know where Messiah CompleX takes place in relation to Secret Invasion, but it's only making it easier to pin Wolverine as a Skrull.

Since how could he be running around fighting Marauders and Sentinels if he's hanging out with the New Avengers.

didn't Wolverine bring all the X-Men to Avengers tower during House Of M

didn't Wolverine bring all the X-Men to Avengers tower during House Of M

True, but did he ever mention that he was a member of the Avengers?

After reading that SI freebie, I'm actually really starting to believe that the Kill Krew is gonna come back in the event. If so, I think their ability to sense Skrulls may be the key to whole thing. I could totally see those guys being the only people on Earth that could still detect them.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them as Fury's new Howling Commandos.

After reading that SI freebie, I'm actually really starting to believe that the Kill Krew is gonna come back in the event. If so, I think their ability to sense Skrulls may be the key to whole thing. I could totally see those guys being the only people on Earth that could still detect them.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them as Fury's new Howling Commandos.

In the Runaways/Young Avengers mini series, Marvel Boy was given the ability to sense out Skrulls, I think he's gonna play a part.

I imagine Fury's new Howling Commandos will also include Daisy Johnson.

I imagine Fury's new Howling Commandos will also include Daisy Johnson.

Yup, I was thinking that too.

In the Runaways/Young Avengers mini series, Marvel Boy was given the ability to sense out Skrulls, I think he's gonna play a part.

He was?

I totally forgot that.

He was?

I totally forgot that.

Yeah Mad Thinker gave it to him, actually at the beginning of the story when Marvel Boy is let loose, he picks up a baby and just stares at it for awhile to which the Mad Thinker looks at his machine and says "Thats not a Skrull, put it down"

He does and leaves. Of course this could mean that Marvel Boy is the only one who is actually capable of sniffing them out.

Yeah Mad Thinker gave it to him, actually at the beginning of the story when Marvel Boy is let loose, he picks up a baby and just stares at it for awhile to which the Mad Thinker looks at his machine and says "Thats not a Skrull, put it down"

He does and leaves. Of course this could mean that Marvel Boy is the only one who is actually capable of sniffing them out.

Yeah, you could right about that too.

Maybe he'll start leading the Kill Krew. It would fit with his kinda ruthless characterization.

Except Professor X couldn't mentally tell the difference between Black Bolt and Skrull Bolt, so most likely, Dr Strange's magic couldn't tell the difference so it just created Wonder Man's darkest fear.

How would his magic "know" that? It doesn't make sense. I have a hard time with the Sorcerer Supreme not noticing something was amiss with the Mighty Avengers when he cast that spell .... true, Strange was a bit odd of late with the spells he was unable to cast in order to transport to Japan, save the jet from crashing, etc....

My gut says Wolverine and Ms. Marvel are imposters .....

Secret Invasion: Revelations #3 (http://comics.ign.com/articles/859/859515p1.html)

This is going to be the cover to Secret Invasion #3

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/859/859515/secret-invasion-20080313041512275.jpg

Secret Invasion: Revelations #3 (http://comics.ign.com/articles/859/859515p1.html)

This is going to be the cover to Secret Invasion #3

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/859/859515/secret-invasion-20080313041512275.jpg

That's a great cover.

The rest of them? Yeeesh.

In the Runaways/Young Avengers mini series, Marvel Boy was given the ability to sense out Skrulls, I think he's gonna play a part.

Hey don't forget about Triathlon who's going to become the new 3-D Man. And I just realized I forgot to get that SI saga book -_-.