Bah.

Why bring it up? The thread is for generating ideas. :D

I bring it up because I know not everyone is reading it. People who post in here may not be reading it. But next week we're going to be talking about it so I wanted everyone to hear once more than if they're into SI they should read Captain Marvel.

Hrm, still passing on it.

Hrm, still passing on it.

It looks and read's great. It's pretty damn good if you want a successor to Jim Starlin's Captain Marvel or just a good read. And Lee Week's art is beautiful, like it much better then his Winter Soldier Winter Kills work.

Captain Marvel #1 had the coolest ending to a comic book I've read in a while.

I never could get into Marvel's cosmic characters.

CBR continues the card deck:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12883

The Tens

TEN OF SPADES - DR. DOOM
Doctor Doom has launched numerous schemes to conquer the world, many of which almost succeeded. This makes the armored monarch a more than dangerous competitor to the Skrulls’ claim on Earth. “Doom is virtually as intelligent as Reed Richards, and completely ruthless,” Tom Brevoort told CBR News. “And he's got the resources of a small country at his beck and call. So it's the total package that's most dangerous to the Skrulls.”

At first glance, Latveria, the small Eastern European country Doom controls, may seem strategically insignificant. But a shape shifting culture like that of the Skrulls knows appearances can be deceiving. “[Latveria’s] where Doom hangs his hat, where he's stockpiled his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction,” Brevoort said. “So it's significant simply for that.”

Doctor Doom’s access to an arsenal of advanced weapons makes him a target for replacement by a Skrull doppelganger, but his seemingly endless supply of lifelike robotic impersonators means replacing him won’t be an easy task. “It might prove difficult for the Skrulls to be certain they were replacing the true Doctor Doom,” Brevoort agreed. “But if they managed to do so, then the imposture would be relatively easy to maintain, as even Doom's closest advisors know the folly of questioning him, regardless of how insane or nonsensical what he's saying or doing may appear.”

TEN OF HEARTS - ARES

If the Skrulls don’t watch their step, their invasion plans could incur the wrath of Ares, a being capable of showing them how little they know about the arts of battle. “Ares is an experienced warrior who’s not only fought in innumerable campaigns over the years, but who practically invented the art of war,” said Brevoort. “And he's an immortal god on top of it—a potentially devastating combination, even to the Skrulls. By the same token, Ares always seems a little bit disinterested in the affairs of mankind, so unless the Skrulls do something that's likely to have an impact on Ares' life directly--potentially something like trying to convert the masses to their own belief-systems--it's possible that his heart won't be all that much in the fight.”

Ares is doubly dangerous to the Skrulls because the shape shifters don’t realize the Greek God is exactly who he claims to be. “I think everybody tends to underestimate Ares just a little bit, Skrull or not,” Brevoort stated. “So that's a definite edge in his favor.”

Ares’s immortal longevity means any duplicate the Skrulls try to replace him with would only be partially complete. “The Skrulls could probably replicate Ares' raw physical power, but they couldn't duplicate his centuries of experience and his know-how,” Brevoort explained. “But Ares is such a relatively new face on the super-heroic scene that such a replacement would be easy to disguise.”

If replacing Ares proves difficult, even the God of War has exploitable weaknesses. “Ares has a half-human son that he's trying to raise in the mortal world, which could prove a vulnerability for him,” Brevoort stated.


TEN OF DIAMONDS - CAPTAIN AMERICA

It’s not a coincidence The Skrulls accelerated their invasion plans when Steve Rogers was assassinated. Now, the emergence of a new Captain America, Bucky Barnes, could prove to be a disastrous complication for the alien invaders. “Cap is probably most dangerous symbolically, as an individual with a long history of providing a rallying point for his fellow heroes and the common man alike,” Brevoort said. “But the new Cap isn't the same man, so he may not be as adept at forging those bonds of commonality and being able to bring his fellows together.”

The new Captain America’s ability to be a living symbol and inspire people is still unproven, which suggests he’s not a high profile target for replacement. But even if the new Sentinel of Liberty can’t bring his fellow heroes together, the Skrulls still face a resourceful foe armed with an indestructible shield and decades of combat experience, both as a front line solider and a deadly covert operative.

However, this combat experience could prove to be a double-edged sword, as it has made the new Captain America vulnerable to specific kinds of psychological attack. “The new Cap spent decades as the brainwashed pawn of Soviet spymasters, so he's particularly vulnerable to mind-control and the like,” Brevoort said. “And while in thrall to the KGB, the new Cap did all manner of terrible things that continue to haunt him, and those memories could be used to rattle him.”


TEN OF CLUBS - LUKE CAGE

Luke Cage, Hero for Hire has a tough reputation, but it’s Luke Cage, New Avenger that’s most dangerous to the Skrulls. “Luke's absolutely more dangerous as the rallying point for the underground Avengers,” Brevoort stated. “As a solo hero, sure, Luke's strong and durable. But especially in the absence of Captain America, Luke has really stepped up as a natural leader. Plus he's a guy who lives for fighting for a cause, especially when he's the underdog.”

Cage’s New Avengers were the first heroes to stumble across the Skrulls’ Secret Invasion plans. Their knowledge of the shape shifters’ infiltration of Earth has made Cage’s team a big threat and made Cage himself a target for replacement by a Skrull impersonator. “If the Skrulls replace Luke, they'd have a somewhat easier time of keeping their secret invasion a secret until they're ready to act,” Brevoort said.

Luke Cage may have unbreakable skin, but that doesn’t mean the Skrulls’ can’t take him down by messing with his heart. Brevoort pointed out, “Cage is a married man with a wife and young daughter.”


Maybe we are being given clues that will make sense retrospectively.

Ares' war against Hercules (coupled with Cho trying to destroy SHIELD) could be a problem for Skrull SHIELD operatives.

I just found a good theory on why Cage is a Skrull that makes sense that I'm about to respost.

Doom we know is going to be heavily involved.

And Captain America has something going on. The Doom appearance seemingly is random. Imagine the fun if Cap had gone underground with Fury. Highly unlikely, but it'd make for a fun reveal later and a rallying moment for the troops so to speak. His corpse is technically "lost".. imagine if Fury located it and revived him or something.

Some theories I found on other message boards:

Can anyone confirm or deny these since I don't have my issues handy?

HAWKEYE - Replaced during Kree/Skrull War?

Avenger vol. 1 #96 Kree Skrull War, Hawkeye as Goliath does not return with the rest of the Avengers to Earth. He returns later under mysterious circumstances.


LUKE CAGE, SKRULL FOR HIRE



NA #1 when it all goes dark, luke cage doesnt say a thing, possibly snabbed by a few skrulls then switched out. This also could go along with why the Purple Man couldnt control Luke Cage. Even though Luke says that the Purple Man was drugged up, every other super villian was fighting with their powers even though they were drugged as well. The skrulls are smart enough to plan ahead and check out every weakness each hero had, they prolly put in some telepathic wards in the new replaced luke cage



Ok, I wanna throw my hat in the ring so to speak. Bendis has said all along that he was leaving clues all as far back as New Avengers #1. SO, during the excursion into the Savage Land. Spiderwoman and Cage run across Wolverine, who attacks them, because he doesn't recognize their scents. Which leads me to believe that either Cage or SW (or both) is a skrull. Of course the Cage/Jones baby had green skrully eyes at the end of #31 so I think it's a given that either Cage or Jones is a skrull.



Cage being a Skrull, with Strange leaving would pretty much wipe out any need for the New Avengers book.. couple that with the cancellation rumor... add in Jessica suddenly being worried about the baby's safety.. Cage stands a good chance of having been replaced.

I never could get into Marvel's cosmic characters.

Captain Marvel is pretty grounded though. He flies and throws around energy blasts, and tries to use his cosmic awareness with unreliable results. Other than that though, so far, its not cosmic heavy at all. I think its accessible.

I never could get into Marvel's cosmic characters.

I heard Gammora was pretty tight...:twisted:

Captain Marvel is pretty grounded though. He flies and throws around energy blasts, and tries to use his cosmic awareness with unreliable results. Other than that though, so far, its not cosmic heavy at all. I think its accessible.

Alien race fighting for humanity with fancy bracelets.

I recognize his importance to Marvel, but really... it's why I can't get into Superman.

I can't relate to alien races and stuff :D

I gave PAD's CM a shot, but if it wasn't for the humor and Rick Jones, I'd have passed.

well can someone spoil the significance to SI in Captain marvel? i dont plan on picking it up either and may not get the trade.

I thought I read somewhere that some recent 'resurrected' villains showing up commenting that Mar-Vell seemed faster or more powerful than last time, which caused some think think they're Skrulls.

So, presumably it's related to that.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1335/1368536602_58967f0d77.jpg
Just realized, you can make out Wolverine's claws beside White Queen and above Spidey.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1007/1367639741_179480e34b.jpg

Some other details we probably can't see yet either.

I wish there was a clear pic of what they're emerging from.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1335/1368536602_58967f0d77.jpg
Just realized, you can make out Wolverine's claws beside White Queen and above Spidey.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1007/1367639741_179480e34b.jpg

Some other details we probably can't see yet either.

I wish there was a clear pic of what they're emerging from.

I don't think those are Wolverine's claws. Look at the bigger view. Where would he be standing? It's just some wreckage.

Also, here's McNiven's SI #1 variant:
http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2461.FIRST_LOOK%3A_McNiven_Secret_Invasion_ Variant

Variant cover for SI #1

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=145809

I was thinking about this earlier today.
Thanks to the prominence of the FF on the McNiven cover.

What if Johnny Storm is a Skrull??
Let's say he was replaced while in the hospital during Civil War. How bad ass would that be???

If Johnny was a Skrull, they could totally do a badass Black Bolt in Illuminati #5-like moment.

I mean, you know, "Flame on..." and everyone is suddenly lit on fire. It just sounds cool.

That would be awesome! I'd like to see at least a few "Holy shit!" moments, when a Skrull is using a hero's power in really aggressive ways towards other heroes.

I was thinking about this earlier today.
Thanks to the prominence of the FF on the McNiven cover.

What if Johnny Storm is a Skrull??
Let's say he was replaced while in the hospital during Civil War. How bad ass would that be???

If something like that happens I'll giggle like a schoolgirl...

I was thinking about this earlier today.
Thanks to the prominence of the FF on the McNiven cover.

What if Johnny Storm is a Skrull??
Let's say he was replaced while in the hospital during Civil War. How bad ass would that be???

Well lets not forget the original Super Skrulls replicated the FF's powers it's not entirely impossible to pose as Johnny. You just have to act like a hedonistic jackass.

Do you think Tony Stark knew about the invasion maybe even before the Stamford explosion and used the registration to get all the super heroes under control so he could use them against the Skrulls?
get all of the villians out of the way so they wont have distractions/other problems and so the skrulls wont use their powers or make deals with the actual villians?
It would be hard to explain to everyone that Skrulls were coming to earth and they had to fight them so he capitalized on the school explosion. Especially since one of the Illuminati is going to be revealed as a Skrull according to Bendis (or so I'v read).
The whole civil war messed things up especially keeping away the biggest ally earth or at least america would need - Cap. Stark abandons the registration when he sees its weakening earth's defenses and now he is stuck because as he checked for Skrulls (maybe) through registration he really made it harder to see who is a Skrull since it split the super hero world in half.:twisted:

Tony didn't know about the Skrulls till Spider-Woman brought the corpse to him. His thought bubbles pretty much confirm it that and why would he lie about knowing beforehand if he did? He's a futurist but he's not an oracle.

Yeah, but you have to trust that is the first time he saw a skrull. He didnt nearly seem that shocked - not as much as spider-woman and he could be afraid of revealing things in his thoughts. He doesnt know who to trust. Someone shows up with a Skrull corpse then they will look to know more about the Skrulls than anyone and who knows more about Skrulls than Skrulls. And why doest he build a new Avengers tower (early in New Avengers) saying it would get attacked by Aliens and get destroyed...Maybe cause he knows the Skrulls are coming and they would attack the Avengers tower for sure and everyone in it would get killed...bad memories of the last tower incident. Maybe...

Yeah, but you have to trust that is the first time he saw a skrull. He didnt nearly seem that shocked - not as much as spider-woman and he could be afraid of revealing things in his thoughts. And why doest he build a new Avengers tower (early in New Avengers) saying it would get attacked by Aliens and get destroyed...Maybe cause he knows the Skrulls are coming and they would attack the Avengers tower for sure and everyone in it would get killed...bad memories of the last tower incident. Maybe...

Uh no. It's because the Avengers have fought alien menaces alot of times. And they want the big building since that's probably where an alien would head first. And he seemed pretty surprised by that Skrull by the sheer fact that they were running around disguised not because he finally saw one face to face.

And even if he didn't have proof he would've brought the Illuminati in. Tony wouldn't hide something that fatal from them considering the fate of earth is on the balance there.

Uh, but one of the Illuminati is a Skrull according to an interview with Bendis...thats what I read so...thats still not proof what you said. Neither is mine, but thats the point.

Oh, and I read someone else's post about Luke's woman being a skrull. I think Luke is going to be a Skrull. A hint is that he readily joined the Avengers even though he said thats not his style and he talked about just happening to be at the big break in and out of all the super villians. Maybe Purple Man's inability to use mind control on Luke is because he is a Skrull not cause Purple was dopped up. All the other super villians were fighting with their powers...Plus this is what bendis needs to be able to get Luke to show up and dawn the old suit like he wants...and when Luke took that Wrecking Crew guys crowbar it just never got mentioned again (if I remember right and so Ive heard) so maybe he is helping them stock pile.

Uh, but one of the Illuminati is a Skrull according to an interview with Bendis

Well, we've already seen the Illuminati that's a Skrull, in Illuminati #5.

Welcome to the board, by the way.

Oh, I see. who was it. Im just getting into the mix with all this so im catchin up. but still, I like my theory but who know and its doesnt mean there isnt more in there.

Thanks for the welcome

Oh, I see. who was it. Im just getting into the mix with all this so im catchin up.

It was Black Bolt. He was replaced a new kind of Super-Skrull that had most of the Illuminati's powers.

Did it have xaveir's powers?

Did it have xaveir's powers?

It seemed to have some sort of mental shielding power. Xavier tried to attack it psychically and the Skrull kind of bounced the attack back to Xavier, causing him some pain.

Hmm. Oh and I just read New Avengers annual 2 and the wrecking crew guy has his crowbar back. When did he get that back. Is it in an issue? Plus its glowing in this issue and it didnt glow when he used it in the older New Avengers issue 7 or 8 I think...at least I dont remember it doing it...ill check

I wonder if somone is going to be a Skrull but not completely taken over. i havent heard anyone say that. Do you have to be completely replaced by a Skrull or can they just mimic you and show up at times and pretend to be you?

I wonder if somone is going to be a Skrull but not completely taken over. i havent heard anyone say that. Do you have to be completely replaced by a Skrull or can they just mimic you and show up at times and pretend to be you?

The Skrulls have the ability to change shape and transform into pretty much anything they want, which is what they do to replace humans. They make themselves look like the person they want to replace and then kidnap or (presumably) kill them.

That would interesting though to see someone just have a double instead of just being replaced. And in N A Annual 2 I see one of the blood brothers in there fighting but his brother is dead and their power comes from proximity to one another and on the marvel.com website his official rating on all aspects is 1 (lowest rating) across the board...hmm...

On the second page of the New Avengers Annual the director of shield is complaining about the magic powered cloaking for The Raft and she says "Mystical. This magic stuff is going to be the end of me." That i think is definite foreshadowing, at least to her ddemise by that if not that she is a Skrull and will meet her demise because of Strange.

Purple Man is in this issue and he doesnt use his mind control. Not sure if that means squat but its something to think about.

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2461.FIRST_LOOK%3A_McNiven_Secret_Inv asion_Variant?utm_source=rss_new_news_feed&utm_medium=feed_link&utm_campaign=rss_feeds

variant cover to issue #1

interesting collection of heroes.....

Most of the old school New Avengers (that are still alive, anyway) and Reed and Sue. It's cool.

Hmm. Oh and I just read New Avengers annual 2 and the wrecking crew guy has his crowbar back. When did he get that back. Is it in an issue? Plus its glowing in this issue and it didnt glow when he used it in the older New Avengers issue 7 or 8 I think...at least I dont remember it doing it...ill check

Big deal if the crowbar doesn't glow. It's just an effect they put once in a while to be cool. It didn't glow in the old Kirby comics and it didn't glow when he appeared a couple of issues ago in Daredevil. Don't worry so much about it I'd be more worried about the Hood.

Uh, but one of the Illuminati is a Skrull according to an interview with Bendis...thats what I read so...thats still not proof what you said. Neither is mine, but thats the point.

Oh, and I read someone else's post about Luke's woman being a skrull. I think Luke is going to be a Skrull. A hint is that he readily joined the Avengers even though he said thats not his style and he talked about just happening to be at the big break in and out of all the super villians. Maybe Purple Man's inability to use mind control on Luke is because he is a Skrull not cause Purple was dopped up. All the other super villians were fighting with their powers...Plus this is what bendis needs to be able to get Luke to show up and dawn the old suit like he wants...and when Luke took that Wrecking Crew guys crowbar it just never got mentioned again (if I remember right and so Ive heard) so maybe he is helping them stock pile.

That IS a good point, y'know.

Big deal if the crowbar doesn't glow. It's just an effect they put once in a while to be cool. It didn't glow in the old Kirby comics and it didn't glow when he appeared a couple of issues ago in Daredevil. Don't worry so much about it I'd be more worried about the Hood.

I'm not willing to point to that as a clue to anything. It could be an art thing, or if you want to go the No Prize route, maybe the crowbar is more powerful because Asgardian stuff is active again in the Marvel universe ala Thor's new series.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1335/1368536602_58967f0d77.jpg
Just realized, you can make out Wolverine's claws beside White Queen and above Spidey.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1007/1367639741_179480e34b.jpg

Some other details we probably can't see yet either.

I wish there was a clear pic of what they're emerging from.


Here's what I thought: I wonder if these are some of the heroes that have been "replaced" and these are the real heroes are breaking out of where the Skrulls kept them. In this scenario, I think Iron Man and Spidey are non-replaced heroes who helped them break out.

It certainly looks like a picture of :"We just got out of a Skrull prison and we're pissed."

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2461.FIRST_LOOK%3A_McNiven_Secret_Inv asion_Variant?utm_source=rss_new_news_feed&utm_medium=feed_link&utm_campaign=rss_feeds

variant cover to issue #1

interesting collection of heroes.....

Look a few posts up and compare the teams as well. Presumably that's a future cover.

SAME:
Iron Man
Cage
Spidey
Wolverine(?)

DIFFERENT:
Vision / Reed
Beast / Sue
White Queen / Spider-Woman
Hawkeye
Wolverine(?)

Now, presumably, the title characters are going to be focused on here.

Spider-Woman and Tony - Turning over the Skrull to Stark
Reed - Analyzing the Skrull corpse

The rest? Suspects to be eliminated.

Cage - Likely to be revealed as a Skrull.

Spidey - 50/50 chance, only drawback would be the whole OMD/BND stuff.

Sue - 50/50 chance, more likely than not, positioned to spy on Reed

Wolverine - 50/50 chance, depends on if Bendis is going against fan expectations. Leaning towards yes. His proximity to Elektra during Enemy of the State, multiple team status, etc are reasons for. The only real reason against is that it's been done before, but as we're seeing that doesn't matter ("Skrull invasions? Been there, done that!" - Newsarama poster)

New Avengers is likely the title taking the hit post Secret Invasion.

- With Dr. Strange leaving, team has no home
- SHRA becomes a moot issue with the Skrull Invasion (Plot #1 resolved; Plot #2 being the Skrulls)
- Spidey's status quo tied up (Soon to be resolved in upcoming issues?)
- Spider-Woman jumps to Mighty Avengers
- Jessica Jones jumps to Mighty Avengers
- Echo centric issue may be a send-off for the character or letting Mack solidify Echo in the Marvel U by doing something major/huge with the invasion. She helped bring it to the title, it'd be interesting to see her repeat that role of importance. Maybe she helps Iron Fist and Hawkeye escape?

Upcoming Solicits for New Avengers
- MARCH 2008 (39) - Echo centric.
- APRIL 2008 (40) - Iluminati centric.
#44 has been stated to be a one-shot for Spider-Man which ties in the events of One More Day and Brand New Day with Secret Invasion. (from wiki, but it has the Nick Fury stuff still listed, so this may have been reshuffled or dropped)

Rather than focus on the team, future issues make it appear that the title seems to be spinning it's wheels. Rather than push forward with new arcs with the team (presumably) it's in a holding pattern. The Nick Fury issues were moved up and over to Mighty Avengers.

With half the team potentially being Skrulls (and since the plot largely revolves around Skrulls - Illuminati getting the New Avengers title for that reason(?), once the invasion is "over" the book will probably get folded into other titles (the unified Avengers book rumored)

Here's what I thought: I wonder if these are some of the heroes that have been "replaced" and these are the real heroes are breaking out of where the Skrulls kept them. In this scenario, I think Iron Man and Spidey are non-replaced heroes who helped them break out.

It certainly looks like a picture of :"We just got out of a Skrull prison and we're pissed."

Yeah, Cage seems more and more each day to be screaming "I'm a Skrull!"

And talk on the message boards would be about Bendis giving up his favorite character, which shows how serious he is about this stuff and how unpredictable things are.

I really wish we had a better pic of that cover.

There was all that talk of Bendis not being happy with Cat Beast.. and if he's building a more traditional Avengers team, I could see him joining said team from time to time.

Just out of curiosity, what happened in Annihilation that has and effect on Secret Invasion? I heard the Skrull Empire was demolished?

Just out of curiosity, what happened in Annihilation that has and effect on Secret Invasion? I heard the Skrull Empire was demolished?

Pretty much, the Skrull Empire which has been in tatters ever since Galactus destroyed their throneworld over 20 years ago got well Annihilated by Annihilus and his wait for it...Annihilation Wave.

The Skrulls are pretty much spread all over tha galaxy with no real home and or leader...that we know about anyway.

Here's what I thought: I wonder if these are some of the heroes that have been "replaced" and these are the real heroes are breaking out of where the Skrulls kept them. In this scenario, I think Iron Man and Spidey are non-replaced heroes who helped them break out.

It certainly looks like a picture of :"We just got out of a Skrull prison and we're pissed."

That could be. Bendis has said that #1 is going to be filled with revelations and all around big, important stuff.

Pretty much, the Skrull Empire which has been in tatters ever since Galactus destroyed their throneworld over 20 years ago got well Annihilated by Annihilus and his wait for it...Annihilation Wave.

The Skrulls are pretty much spread all over tha galaxy with no real home and or leader...that we know about anyway.

Right on! Thanks!

Dude, I was all set with the "I told you so's" about Spider-Man, until I saw how perfectly Bendis handled him in the annual (unless Danielle is definitely a Skrull). "The baby comes first," in reply for doing what comes naturally, in spite how how it made him look or how ill-received it was by those involved, is PURE Spidey.

Pretty much, the Skrull Empire which has been in tatters ever since Galactus destroyed their throneworld over 20 years ago got well Annihilated by Annihilus and his wait for it...Annihilation Wave.

The Skrulls are pretty much spread all over tha galaxy with no real home and or leader...that we know about anyway.
Yep. They're pretty bitter and desperate now. Which should be all the more reason they'd be motivated to take over the Earth.

Pretty much, the Skrull Empire which has been in tatters ever since Galactus destroyed their throneworld over 20 years ago got well Annihilated by Annihilus and his wait for it...Annihilation Wave.

The Skrulls are pretty much spread all over tha galaxy with no real home and or leader...that we know about anyway.

So, you're saying they're like Palestinians looking for the Holy Land, and in the metaphor, Earth is Jerusalem? :)

Y'know, now that I think about it, maybe we should be looking into that metaphor a little more for potential clues.

3 religious factions (Jewish, Christian, Islamic) comparable to (Skrull, Kree, Earth?)

Well, Earth and humanity are an offshoot of the Kree Empire to begin with so it stands to reason that the Skrulls wouldn't exactly be fans of Earth regardless of the recent history.

I'm trying to remember all the old Kree/Skrull history. The Skrulls were the ones who first encountered the Kree and shared their technology but were betrayed by The Kree and that began the 10,000 year war.

Regardless, the Skrulls and the Kree have not had a good last few years and have both seen their empires fall apart in ruin. The Shi'Ar are now the undisputed leaders of the Marvel Universe. Well aside from the Phalanx now i suppose but that's a whole other story.

Yeah, I debated on adding the Sh'iar, but they've been mostly to themselves I thought (then again I tend to ignore most X-men stuff, so that could have changed with Brubaker's recent arc there)

Yeah, I debated on adding the Sh'iar, but they've been mostly to themselves I thought (then again I tend to ignore most X-men stuff, so that could have changed with Brubaker's recent arc there)

Well Lilandra has been overthrown by Vulcan and he's the new Emperor of the Shi'ar but their powerbase is as strong as ever.

For those not in the know Vulcan is the long teased 3rd Summers brother joining his 2 siblings Cyclops and Havok.

Well Lilandra has been overthrown by Vulcan and he's the new Emperor of the Shi'ar but their powerbase is as strong as ever.

For those not in the know Vulcan is the long teased 3rd Summers brother joining his 2 siblings Cyclops and Havok.

I thought I saw some talk of Sh'iar planning something for summer.. was that just fan talk or is there something else to it?

I thought I saw some talk of Sh'iar planning something for summer.. was that just fan talk or is there something else to it?

Unless that's what Uncanny X-Men # 500 is about but i seriously doubt it. The just concluded Emperor Vulcan mini-series saw Vulcan triumphant over all his enemies including the stranded X-Men (Havok & Polaris) so there's clearly a lot more story to tell with him but not until late this year at the earliest i'd wager.

Ok, probably just a fan speculation then :D

Unless that's what Uncanny X-Men # 500 is about but i seriously doubt it. The just concluded Emperor Vulcan mini-series saw Vulcan triumphant over all his enemies including the stranded X-Men (Havok & Polaris) so there's clearly a lot more story to tell with him but not until late this year at the earliest i'd wager.

Personally, I can't wait to see where the Vulcan/Shi'ar/Starjammer story is going next. For God's sake, the 'good guys' lost! Again!

Vulcan's like 3-0 against X-Men!

"Spidey - 50/50 chance, only drawback would be the whole OMD/BND stuff."

Yeah...Why is spidey still back in black in New Avengers and brand new day and one more day he is old spidey with the old life. I think spidey in New Avengers will be skrull. He talks about it a lot, is paranoid, is overly aggressive and he snatched the baby for a minute likely to take it to skrull safety as Cage isprobably a skrull.:mistrust: Meaning there is more than one spidey. The black is skrull

"Spidey - 50/50 chance, only drawback would be the whole OMD/BND stuff."

Yeah...Why is spidey still back in black in New Avengers and brand new day and one more day he is old spidey with the old life. I think spidey in New Avengers will be skrull. He talks about it a lot, is paranoid, is overly aggressive and he snatched the baby for a minute likely to take it to skrull safety as Cage isprobably a skrull.:mistrust: Meaning there is more than one spidey. The black is skrull

Spidey took the baby to get it and Jessica to safety away from all the supervillains. And as for why he's still wearing the black costume who knows.

Spidey took the baby to get it and Jessica to safety away from all the supervillains. And as for why he's still wearing the black costume who knows.

Yeah, you keep answering my questions with how things seem in the comics, but with skrulls it not going to be how it seems. So my question still stands. Of course that's what he said, he didnt even stop until the mom caught up to him. Besides its just a theory:scared:

Yeah, it is kinda odd if Cage is a skrull, that Spidey would be insistent on letting him know the baby was safe.

From a storytelling perspective of being able to go back and re-read things in the new light once a reveal was made.

Here's something to consider..

Could they redeem Scarlet Witch by saying she didn't kill Agatha? That the Skrulls got to her a long time ago?

Here's something to consider..

Could they redeem Scarlet Witch by saying she didn't kill Agatha? That the Skrulls got to her a long time ago?
Wanda didn't kill Agatha Harkness. She was killed by some cultists in the Scarlet Witch/Vision miniseries in the 90's.

Then inexplicably, a few months later she showed up in West Coast Avengers. (during John Byrne's run) She gave no explanation of how she was alive again other than "I'm a witch!".

The implication in House of M was it was Wanda subconsciously resurrected Agatha with her reality-altering powers. And after she went batshit nuts, a lot of the effects of her powers wore off.

Here's something to consider..

Could they redeem Scarlet Witch by saying she didn't kill Agatha? That the Skrulls got to her a long time ago?

I never thought that Wanda killed Agatha, even back then. I figured that she had indeed died, but Wanda conjured her back up rather than Agatha just being alive again through whatever means she came back under prior to Disassembled putting other ideas out there. Did people think that Wanda killed Agatha? She would have had to have done so a very long time ago and not after confronting her about the kids because the script notes that she'd been dead a long time.

Is there any chance at all of Wanda having been manipulated in any way via the invasion plot?

I never thought that Wanda killed Agatha, even back then. I figured that she had indeed died, but Wanda conjured her back up rather than Agatha just being alive again through whatever means she came back under prior to Disassembled putting other ideas out there. Did people think that Wanda killed Agatha? She would have had to have done so a very long time ago and not after confronting her about the kids because the script notes that she'd been dead a long time.

Is there any chance at all of Wanda having been manipulated in any way via the invasion plot?
Ahem. *Points above*

Ahem. *Points above*

I saw your post (after I posted mine) and I raised ya the Scarlet Witch manipulation question. Is the reality gem in use here? When did Titania lose the power gem (which would prompt Reed to reassemble them all) in She Hulk in relation to Avengers Disassembled?

I was just leafing through my old copies of the New Avengers, and it occurred to me in issue #3 (I think) that when they finally confront Electro, we meet Electro's girlfriend who a) is inexplicably hot, for a guy who dresses like ELECTRO, and b) has green eyes. I know, I know, a lot of MU characters have green eyes, but Finch winds up showing us she has green eyes in every panel she's in, until the last panel she's in, when it's just a close-up of her eye. Just kind of odd that this character got such exposure, having never been explained, introduced prior, or brought up after. My hypothesis: she's a skrull, keeping tabs on Electro in order to ensure he performs the breakout (which I also believe is skrull-inspired).

Also Madam Hydra. She just seems too bizarre, comes on really strong, and clearly is trying to orchestrate another skrully-looking takeover of yet another political powerbase.

Just a pair of thoughts.

I was just leafing through my old copies of the New Avengers, and it occurred to me in issue #3 (I think) that when they finally confront Electro, we meet Electro's girlfriend who a) is inexplicably hot, for a guy who dresses like ELECTRO, and b) has green eyes. I know, I know, a lot of MU characters have green eyes, but Finch winds up showing us she has green eyes in every panel she's in, until the last panel she's in, when it's just a close-up of her eye. Just kind of odd that this character got such exposure, having never been explained, introduced prior, or brought up after. My hypothesis: she's a skrull, keeping tabs on Electro in order to ensure he performs the breakout (which I also believe is skrull-inspired).

Also Madam Hydra. She just seems too bizarre, comes on really strong, and clearly is trying to orchestrate another skrully-looking takeover of yet another political powerbase.

Just a pair of thoughts.

And his girlfriend seemed a bit too smart for someone in Boston to have connected the dots that he attacked the Raft.

And his girlfriend seemed a bit too smart for someone in Boston to have connected the dots that he attacked the Raft.

Good eye!

Max Dillon is many things (and if you read MK Spider-Man, also kind of gay), but he is not smooth enough to catch a hot, smart waiter who is so up on things she can piece together what happened (only hours prior), and his involvement from elusive innuendos. If Electro had a "shadow," maybe everyone involved in the inner workings of their nefarious plots had "shadows." This suggests that anyone involved in a plan of their mechanizations has someone close to them that's been replaced, if they haven't been replaced, themselves.

This could mean that Jessica Drew's informant/douchebag Hydra agent could be a skrull. She reports the inner workings of S.H.I.E.L.D. to him, along with the New Avengers business. She thinks it's going to Hydra, but in actuality, the skrulls have already infiltrated Hydra. This also gives credence to my Madam Hydra theory.

Good eye!

Max Dillon is many things (and if you read MK Spider-Man, also kind of gay), but he is not smooth enough to catch a hot, smart waiter who is so up on things she can piece together what happened (only hours prior), and his involvement from elusive innuendos. If Electro had a "shadow," maybe everyone involved in the inner workings of their nefarious plots had "shadows." This suggests that anyone involved in a plan of their mechanizations has someone close to them that's been replaced, if they haven't been replaced, themselves.

This could mean that Jessica Drew's informant/douchebag Hydra agent could be a skrull. She reports the inner workings of S.H.I.E.L.D. to him, along with the New Avengers business. She thinks it's going to Hydra, but in actuality, the skrulls have already infiltrated Hydra. This also gives credence to my Madam Hydra theory.

Wasn't Madame Hydra working against the Skrulls? Since she seemed to be pretty pissed that Hydra was split in half.

Ohhh... I get what you're saying. All right, I amend my theory to include the possibility that either Drew's informant or MH is a skrull. They can't both be skrulls, because they both seemed to have contrary points of view for the direction of Hydra.

My other reason for thinking MH is a skrull was her behavior. From what we've seen, the skrulls are bizarrely antagonistic, and a tad on the malicious side. The Skrullektra saying to Cage she was going to "burn [him] alive" was weird and creepy, but it seemed reminiscent of MH's equally weird behavior, like her spontaneous sexual advances toward Silver Samurai.

Ohhh... I get what you're saying. All right, I amend my theory to include the possibility that either Drew's informant or MH is a skrull. They can't both be skrulls, because they both seemed to have contrary points of view for the direction of Hydra.

My other reason for thinking MH is a skrull was her behavior. From what we've seen, the skrulls are bizarrely antagonistic, and a tad on the malicious side. The Skrullektra saying to Cage she was going to "burn [him] alive" was weird and creepy, but it seemed reminiscent of MH's equally weird behavior, like her spontaneous sexual advances toward Silver Samurai.

Drew's informant (ponytail guy) is a Skrull. There's no doubt in my mind.

He was the guy who hired Electro. His "girlfriend" had nothing to do with it.

Ohhh... I get what you're saying. All right, I amend my theory to include the possibility that either Drew's informant or MH is a skrull. They can't both be skrulls, because they both seemed to have contrary points of view for the direction of Hydra.

My other reason for thinking MH is a skrull was her behavior. From what we've seen, the skrulls are bizarrely antagonistic, and a tad on the malicious side. The Skrullektra saying to Cage she was going to "burn [him] alive" was weird and creepy, but it seemed reminiscent of MH's equally weird behavior, like her spontaneous sexual advances toward Silver Samurai.

True. I don't think that was the real Madame Hydra considering that she just got her ass kicked by Tony Stark in Madripoor. I don't think she'd all of a sudden change her modus operandi.

I was just leafing through my old copies of the New Avengers, and it occurred to me in issue #3 (I think) that when they finally confront Electro, we meet Electro's girlfriend who a) is inexplicably hot, for a guy who dresses like ELECTRO, and b) has green eyes. I know, I know, a lot of MU characters have green eyes, but Finch winds up showing us she has green eyes in every panel she's in, until the last panel she's in, when it's just a close-up of her eye. Just kind of odd that this character got such exposure, having never been explained, introduced prior, or brought up after. My hypothesis: she's a skrull, keeping tabs on Electro in order to ensure he performs the breakout (which I also believe is skrull-inspired).

Also Madam Hydra. She just seems too bizarre, comes on really strong, and clearly is trying to orchestrate another skrully-looking takeover of yet another political powerbase.

Just a pair of thoughts.

Funny you should mention this: last night, I happened to re-reread the "Breakout" hardcover again and noticed something else: in the opening of Issue 1, when Electro is getting the "contract" to attack the Raft, he has green eyes. In Issue 3, with his girlfriend, he has brown eyes.

Drew's informant (ponytail guy) is a Skrull. There's no doubt in my mind.

He was the guy who hired Electro. His "girlfriend" had nothing to do with it.

Why go through the trouble to enhance Spider-woman though instead of just replace her? Unless the story Spider-woman told isn't on the level. But everything from Spider-woman Origin to New Avengers seems to line up. That would be insane otherwise. If the ponytail guy is a Skrull why lean on Spider-woman so hard and improve her abilities when you could just change her out? So few characters even know her that well.

Funny you should mention this: last night, I happened to re-reread the "Breakout" hardcover again and noticed something else: in the opening of Issue 1, when Electro is getting the "contract" to attack the Raft, he has green eyes. In Issue 3, with his girlfriend, he has brown eyes.

What??? Hm I'm going to check that, then again it's entirely possible that the person in shadow who commissioned the breakout wasn't a skrull but one of those Savage Land mutates.

EDIT Yeah there is a change in Electro's eyes. And lets not forget that Electro never described how exactly he came along with that money.

I also personally think maybe Madame Hydra in New Avengers is a Skrull but maybe the "ponytail guy" isn't since like LJR why go to the trouble of enhancing a human when you can just replace them.

Why go through the trouble to enhance Spider-woman though instead of just replace her? Unless the story Spider-woman told isn't on the level. But everything from Spider-woman Origin to New Avengers seems to line up. That would be insane otherwise. If the ponytail guy is a Skrull why lean on Spider-woman so hard and improve her abilities when you could just change her out? So few characters even know her that well.

Probably out of fear that Fury would be able to detect it.

And if they've developed all these new power-mimicking tech/abilities how hard would it really be to give Jessica her powers back? Plus that whole sequence seemed more psychological than anything. Like they were trying to break her. I would imagine having the real thing on the inside is always better than having an impostor who might fuck up.

I saw your post (after I posted mine) and I raised ya the Scarlet Witch manipulation question. Is the reality gem in use here? When did Titania lose the power gem (which would prompt Reed to reassemble them all) in She Hulk in relation to Avengers Disassembled?
She-Hulk took the Power Gem from Titania after tricking Titania into thinking she had killed her, and Titania lost her emotional drive to fight.

She-Hulk gave the gem to Reed Richards.

What??? Hm I'm going to check that, then again it's entirely possible that the person in shadow who commissioned the breakout wasn't a skrull but one of those Savage Land mutates.

Possible, but I figure that the mutates wouldn't have brokered the deal personally. And who other than Brainchild himself would even be able to speak so well? I like the mutates as much as the next,guy but I'm just saying. There was some kind of go between there. Surface level: Mutates wanted Sauron in exchange for...unchallenged vibranium mining? But who was Black Widow II working with then? Which SHIELD, the SHIELD miners or the helicarrier SHIELD?

Probably out of fear that Fury would be able to detect it.

And if they've developed all these new power-mimicking tech/abilities how hard would it really be to give Jessica her powers back? Plus that whole sequence seemed more psychological than anything. Like they were trying to break her. I would imagine having the real thing on the inside is always better than having an impostor who might fuck up.

So far though the only imposter we know of to mess up in any way is Elektra for not knowing that Echo might attempt to kill her.

She-Hulk took the Power Gem from Titania after tricking Titania into thinking she had killed her, and Titania lost her emotional drive to fight.

She-Hulk gave the gem to Reed Richards.

I know, that was the arc that got me to start looking at the new She Hulk series. But I'm trying to figure the timing of it all. Assuming you believe that an Infinity gem really is in unknown hands via the Illuminati issue (assuming one of the five was not who they appeared to be), would that have been before, after, or during Avengers Disassembled? Has an Infinity gem been in use in some of these key storylines upon reflection?

So far though the only imposter we know of to mess up in any way is Elektra for not knowing that Echo might attempt to kill her.

But we don't know if Fury has anyway to detect them.

Possible, but I figure that the mutates wouldn't have brokered the deal personally. And who other than Brainchild himself would even be able to speak so well? I like the mutates as much as the next,guy but I'm just saying. There was some kind of go between there. Surface level: Mutates wanted Sauron in exchange for...unchallenged vibranium mining? But who was Black Widow II working with then? Which SHIELD, the SHIELD miners or the helicarrier SHIELD?

I think it was HYDRA since they told her she failed her mission and such. But it could've also been the miners since if she was really on the up and up she'd be killing them. But what does this mean if Electro is a Skrull?

But we don't know if Fury has anyway to detect them.

Just going by what we've seen so far. That we know of, Elektra was the only one to fail and reveal themselves unintentionally.

EDIT Yeah there is a change in Electro's eyes. And lets not forget that Electro never described how exactly he came along with that money.

Also notice how Cap's helicopter goes down. Similar bolt of electricity as the one used to bust open the Raft. It could be construed that it was the same blast as the one in the main, double-page spread, but the 'copter's not there in that shot. I'm thinking the whole New Avengers thing was orchestrated. Or at least the plan of getting Captain America there was. If that's the case, Skrullectro had to have done that.

Also, I don't know if we've covered this, but Sauron's fire-breathing ability is something exclusive to his appearance in New Avengers. It could be that "Lycos" was a skrull, trying to infiltrate the Savage Land mutates, and his ability to breathe fire was just one of his Super-Skrull abilities. OR, Sauron came in contact with a skrull and absorbed his Super-Skrull abilities, thus enabling him to breathe fire. Either way, the fire-breathing thing is fishy.

I think it was HYDRA since they told her she failed her mission and such. But it could've also been the miners since if she was really on the up and up she'd be killing them. But what does this mean if Electro is a Skrull?

So she got flipped by Hydra but was still working within SHIELD (those seemed to be legit agents)? She knew to silence Sauron who was about to spill information in classic super-villain form.

I don't see Electro being a Skrull. He needs to just be a regular guy who didn't realize what he was doing. That's part of how the Skrulls are winning.

Just going by what we've seen so far. That we know of, Elektra was the only one to fail and reveal themselves unintentionally.

I'm just saying, mark my words. Ponytail guy=Skrull.

So she got flipped by Hydra but was still working within SHIELD (those seemed to be legit agents)? She knew to silence Sauron who was about to spill information in classic super-villain form.

I don't see Electro being a Skrull. He needs to just be a regular guy who didn't realize what he was doing. That's part of how the Skrulls are winning.

Yup, Electro is a dupe. That's all.

I'm just saying, mark my words. Ponytail guy=Skrull.

Very possible. He could figure into Madame Hydra having problems within Hydra. That guy seemed very important and seemed to have a hand in a lot of activities. Is he still alive though? I need to re-read some stuff.

Also notice how Cap's helicopter goes down. Similar bolt of electricity as the one used to bust open the Raft. It could be construed that it was the same blast as the one in the main, double-page spread, but the 'copter's not there in that shot. I'm thinking the whole New Avengers thing was orchestrated. Or at least the plan of getting Captain America there was. If that's the case, Skrullectro had to have done that.

Also, I don't know if we've covered this, but Sauron's fire-breathing ability is something exclusive to his appearance in New Avengers. It could be that "Lycos" was a skrull, trying to infiltrate the Savage Land mutates, and his ability to breathe fire was just one of his Super-Skrull abilities. OR, Sauron came in contact with a skrull and absorbed his Super-Skrull abilities, thus enabling him to breathe fire. Either way, the fire-breathing thing is fishy.

I think Lykos is what he really was. We don't know what happened to him during Weapon X, but there's something fishy about Wolverine going by himself to the Savage Land and trying to cut down Lykos knowing what he does. What I think is maybe Wolverine, and Professor X at that Illuminati meeting are Skrulls.

Don't forget that Bendis has said that it's possible that a Skrull was posing as a person for one meeting. And how can Wolverine still be part of the X-Men let alone have the time since he's a member of the New Avengers. That and the fact Wolverine is in the background of the cover of the NA issue focusing on Echo.

So she got flipped by Hydra but was still working within SHIELD (those seemed to be legit agents)? She knew to silence Sauron who was about to spill information in classic super-villain form.

I don't see Electro being a Skrull. He needs to just be a regular guy who didn't realize what he was doing. That's part of how the Skrulls are winning.

Then why do his eyes change between issues?

Yup, Electro is a dupe. That's all.

Have we even seen Electro since Breakout? Will we see him again? Once our Avengers can focus they'll realize that he's in a position to speak on who it was that hired him. I'm surprised he's even still alive to be honest.

So she got flipped by Hydra but was still working within SHIELD (those seemed to be legit agents)? She knew to silence Sauron who was about to spill information in classic super-villain form.

I don't see Electro being a Skrull. He needs to just be a regular guy who didn't realize what he was doing. That's part of how the Skrulls are winning.

Agreed.

I do think, however, that MGH is a Skrull plot, in an attempt to replicate some abilities and to keep heroes busy.

Electro hopped up on MGH, would be capable of what he did in #1.

Have we even seen Electro since Breakout? Will we see him again? Once our Avengers can focus they'll realize that he's in a position to speak on who it was that hired him. I'm surprised he's even still alive to be honest.

Do we even know if he is?

Apropos the Illuminati member being a Skrull, I'm thinking it was Reed Richards in the NA issue where they discuss the formation of the New Avengers, where he has no recollection of telling Matt Murdock to go get the Sentry, and doesn't remember the Sentry at all. One of those Richards' isn't real.

Either it was a skrull posing as Richards who sent Murdock and the rest of them to the Raft to get the Sentry (which could possibly delve deeper into my theory about the NA being an intentional, skrully creation), or it was a skrull who claimed not to remember, and caught Xavier's attention enough to remark that someone had been tampering with his mind "without [his] permission."

I do like the idea of Electro being a dupe. I'm not sure why a skrull would be looking to improve his "rep" when he busted the other supervillains out (unless he was looking to expand their enterprise), and the eye thing could just be a color mishap. It happens a lot, and it's tough to use as a definitive piece of evidence unless it was expressly stated or corrected.

Then why do his eyes change between issues?

Coloring mistake. Remember who it was that put the whole eye color thing out there for people to start looking for and remember that later it came out that there was purposeful misinformation out there. No way do they keep this true story under wraps for years but give away who isn't real with eye color from day one. That doesn't work for me. And it doesn't work that Skrulls can evade magic, science, senses, duplicate powers and information, but not be able to hold eye color together. KnowwhatImeanVern?

Apropos the Illuminati member being a Skrull, I'm thinking it was Reed Richards in the NA issue where they discuss the formation of the New Avengers, where he has no recollection of telling Matt Murdock to go get the Sentry, and doesn't remember the Sentry at all. One of those Richards' isn't real.

Either it was a skrull posing as Richards who sent Murdock and the rest of them to the Raft to get the Sentry (which could possibly delve deeper into my theory about the NA being an intentional, skrully creation), or it was a skrull who claimed not to remember, and caught Xavier's attention enough to remark that someone had been tampering with his mind "without [his] permission."

I do like the idea of Electro being a dupe. I'm not sure why a skrull would be looking to improve his "rep" when he busted the other supervillains out (unless he was looking to expand their enterprise), and the eye thing could just be a color mishap. It happens a lot, and it's tough to use as a definitive piece of evidence unless it was expressly stated or corrected.

Yup. If he was a Skrull, why would he have to be "hired" in the first place?

I think Lykos is what he really was. We don't know what happened to him during Weapon X, but there's something fishy about Wolverine going by himself to the Savage Land and trying to cut down Lykos knowing what he does. What I think is maybe Wolverine, and Professor X at that Illuminati meeting are Skrulls.

Don't forget that Bendis has said that it's possible that a Skrull was posing as a person for one meeting. And how can Wolverine still be part of the X-Men let alone have the time since he's a member of the New Avengers. That and the fact Wolverine is in the background of the cover of the NA issue focusing on Echo.

As far as the NA issue, I have a feeling someone doesn't make it out for one reason or another.

Have we even seen Electro since Breakout? Will we see him again? Once our Avengers can focus they'll realize that he's in a position to speak on who it was that hired him. I'm surprised he's even still alive to be honest.


Later, separately, he was hired by unknown fighre to free Karl Lykos (also known as Sauron) from The Raft, a maximum-security prison for supervillains. After causing a riot, Electro tried to run away with his waitress girlfriend, but was captured by the New Avengers, subsequently fainting when faced with the prospect of being beaten up by Luke Cage, using Spider-Man's webbing to protect himself from Electro. [22].

Later, Electro joined the Chameleon's "Exterminators[2]", seeking to take advantage of Spider-Man having revealed his identity to the public.



http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/exterminatorschamln.htm
Sensational Spider-Man II#29 (March, 2003)

I know, that was the arc that got me to start looking at the new She Hulk series. But I'm trying to figure the timing of it all. Assuming you believe that an Infinity gem really is in unknown hands via the Illuminati issue (assuming one of the five was not who they appeared to be), would that have been before, after, or during Avengers Disassembled? Has an Infinity gem been in use in some of these key storylines upon reflection?
Aside from the Power Gem appearance in She-Hulk, I can't recall any other appearances of the Infinity Gems after the Infinity Watch series ended.

I must admit I never read the Thanos solo series from a couple of years ago, so I don't know if any of the gems appeared in that series. I'm sure someone here may know more.

Apropos the Illuminati member being a Skrull, I'm thinking it was Reed Richards in the NA issue where they discuss the formation of the New Avengers, where he has no recollection of telling Matt Murdock to go get the Sentry, and doesn't remember the Sentry at all. One of those Richards' isn't real.

Either it was a skrull posing as Richards who sent Murdock and the rest of them to the Raft to get the Sentry (which could possibly delve deeper into my theory about the NA being an intentional, skrully creation), or it was a skrull who claimed not to remember, and caught Xavier's attention enough to remark that someone had been tampering with his mind "without [his] permission."

I do like the idea of Electro being a dupe. I'm not sure why a skrull would be looking to improve his "rep" when he busted the other supervillains out (unless he was looking to expand their enterprise), and the eye thing could just be a color mishap. It happens a lot, and it's tough to use as a definitive piece of evidence unless it was expressly stated or corrected.

Why would someone a) remember the Sentry in the first place and b) want heroes to find and check on him? Do you think it was Fury's doing? It can't be a Skrull plot because having the Sentry active instead of in a cell somewhere (possibly where they put him) can't be good for business.

As for the Skrull at the Illuminati meeting, it was the bug crawling on Iron Man's helmet. Everyone else was real there and since Skrulls can look like anything any shape, that is how they were able to stay in the know about Illuminati affairs. Bet on it.

As far as the NA issue, I have a feeling someone doesn't make it out for one reason or another.

You mean one of the NA?

Coloring mistake. Remember who it was that put the whole eye color thing out there for people to start looking for and remember that later it came out that there was purposeful misinformation out there. No way do they keep this true story under wraps for years but give away who isn't real with eye color from day one. That doesn't work for me. And it doesn't work that Skrulls can evade magic, science, senses, duplicate powers and information, but not be able to hold eye color together. KnowwhatImeanVern?

Definitely.

Recall also the whole Jigsaw breaking Spidey's arm thing.

Artist mistake.

As far as the NA issue, I have a feeling someone doesn't make it out for one reason or another.

Yeah, I mentioned Echo possibly having a swan song in the upcoming issue.

Yeah, I mentioned Echo possibly having a swan song in the upcoming issue.

I dunno. I don't see Bendis bringing a Mack character into the spotlight just to kill her off.

Why would someone a) remember the Sentry in the first place and b) want heroes to find and check on him? Do you think it was Fury's doing? It can't be a Skrull plot because having the Sentry active instead of in a cell somewhere (possibly where they put him) can't be good for business.

As for the Skrull at the Illuminati meeting, it was the bug crawling on Iron Man's helmet. Everyone else was real there and since Skrulls can look like anything any shape, that is how they were able to stay in the know about Illuminati affairs. Bet on it.

My point about remembering the Sentry still retains water, since they were specifically asked by Richards to go visit the Sentry.

I'll have to look at that bug again. If it's there, it's intentional, so I'm sure you're right about that.

Why would someone a) remember the Sentry in the first place and b) want heroes to find and check on him? Do you think it was Fury's doing? It can't be a Skrull plot because having the Sentry active instead of in a cell somewhere (possibly where they put him) can't be good for business.

As for the Skrull at the Illuminati meeting, it was the bug crawling on Iron Man's helmet. Everyone else was real there and since Skrulls can look like anything any shape, that is how they were able to stay in the know about Illuminati affairs. Bet on it.

Technically, Hulk remembered Sentry all along.

Any chance we can get some scans of these bugs? Someone mentioned there being one in Avengers 500 with Tony at the UN. That they were the ones responsible for making Tony tipsy instead of Wanda.

My point about remembering the Sentry still retains water, since they were specifically asked by Richards to go visit the Sentry.

I'll have to look at that bug again. If it's there, it's intentional, so I'm sure you're right about that.

It definitely is. People were making a pretty big deal about it when that issue came out.

Why would someone a) remember the Sentry in the first place and b) want heroes to find and check on him? Do you think it was Fury's doing? It can't be a Skrull plot because having the Sentry active instead of in a cell somewhere (possibly where they put him) can't be good for business.

As for the Skrull at the Illuminati meeting, it was the bug crawling on Iron Man's helmet. Everyone else was real there and since Skrulls can look like anything any shape, that is how they were able to stay in the know about Illuminati affairs. Bet on it.

That actually makes sense. But what about Wolverine?

Why would someone a) remember the Sentry in the first place and b) want heroes to find and check on him? Do you think it was Fury's doing? It can't be a Skrull plot because having the Sentry active instead of in a cell somewhere (possibly where they put him) can't be good for business.

As for the Skrull at the Illuminati meeting, it was the bug crawling on Iron Man's helmet. Everyone else was real there and since Skrulls can look like anything any shape, that is how they were able to stay in the know about Illuminati affairs. Bet on it.
I think the memory think was just the Sentry's psionic powers subconsciously screwing with people's heads. Every time someone began to recall who he was, it would get "blinked" out.

That actually makes sense. But what about Wolverine?

Wolverine is everywhere because he's popular. That's it.

I dunno. I don't see Bendis bringing a Mack character into the spotlight just to kill her off.

She's had a strong run and great exposure though as opposed to only being known to DD/ Mack fans. And I think she may have one more great moment in her too.

Technically, Hulk remembered Sentry all along.

Any chance we can get some scans of these bugs? Someone mentioned there being one in Avengers 500 with Tony at the UN. That they were the ones responsible for making Tony tipsy instead of Wanda.

That's fine if Hulk remembers Sentry, but someone asked for those heroes to be check on him. Did the same person know that a break out was about to happen and help would have to be there? Did they know that a new group of Avengers might come together over it? Unknown, but none of those things benefit the Skrull plot.

I mentioned it in a Bendis Q and A a long time ago, asked if it was intentional. McNiven drew one on Iron Man's helmet (and him removing it) and the same design of bug was drawn on Sentry's body when he was found in the cave. It was apparently asked for in the script. I don't know anything about Avengers #500 having anything like that though.

I could see Echo solidifying herself into Marvel history by doing something "BIG" that kicks off S.I.

Sort of like how Blue Beetle did with that DC thing..

But the NA team is going down, and I dunno where Echo would land post-S.I.

And with the rumor of there being a more 'traditional' Avengers team post-S.I., I don't see Echo on it either.

That actually makes sense. But what about Wolverine?

What about Wolverine? I support his being in the Savage Land and physically attacking Sauron in what appeared to be deadly force to be suspicious. Everything said about him in the ComicBookResources.com Skrull card deck makes sense to me. They were able to replace him once before and nobody noticed a thing until he was killed.

I'm not entirely convinced Wolverine is a skrull. Maybe it's my cynicism talking, but I generally am in agreement with those who think Wolverine is on the NA because Wolverine sells books. I also feel like it'd be a cop-out, or almost too easy to say, "Of course Wolverine on the NA is a skrull. You can't be everywhere!" He's always been everywhere.

Just as a side note, does anyone else miss the denim pants, flannel & bomber jacket-wearing, cigar-chomping, sideburns-sporting Wolverine? He's spending a lot more time in yellow tights than ever before, in my opinion.

What about Wolverine? I support his being in the Savage Land and physically attacking Sauron in what appeared to be deadly force to be suspicious. Everything said about him in the ComicBookResources.com Skrull card deck makes sense to me. They were able to replace him once before and nobody noticed a thing until he was killed.

Yeah, he'd HAVE to be one.

1) It'd go against fan expectation. If we're convinced it CAN'T happen, it likely will. Remember when people said there's no way Bucky would come back and Cap die?

2) Good way to throw off the 'scent' so to speak. If Wolverine claims they can't be detected by scent/etc, why approach someone like Daredevil?

3) Who's going to argue with the guy with sharp knives and short temper? He has memory gaps as well, so it's a good cover story.

From Mark Millar in a Wizard website interview:

A Skrull appears on the #554 “variant” cover by Arthur Suydam. Will they be playing a role throughout your arc?

I don’t want to give too much away, but let's just say that someone in the Fantastic Four is not who they seem.

And people said it wasn't possible :D

Odds:

Sue - 90% (Left Reed w/ kids; unique position to go after Reed or Namor)

Johnny - 75% (When he was in the hospital; Skrull intelligence from his time with Lyja?)

Reed - 50% (Most ideal; Fan expect him to be, hence he won't be; it'd mess with Civil War)

Ben - 25% (Time spent in France; not much gained by replacing him)

Of course, it could be something like Franklin or Valeria, too.

From Mark Millar in a Wizard website interview:

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/marvel/FF554_col-var_Suydam-skrull.jpg

Come to think of it, who was Franklin's babysitter?

Agatha Harkness.

And Onslaught was last seen floating outside of "42" which is a weird coincidence.

Come to think of it, who was Franklin's babysitter?

Agatha Harkness.

And Onslaught was last seen floating outside of "42" which is a weird coincidence.

This is not meant to be anything really, but re-reading Breakout, 42 villains escaped from the Raft.

This is not meant to be a serious theory, but re-reading Breakout, 42 escaped from the Raft.

Yup, it was a nice bit of synchronicity mentioned earlier :)

Yup, it was a nice bit of synchronicity mentioned earlier :)

My bad. It blew my mind when I read it last night, in one of those Marvel No Prize kinds of ways.

Yup, it was a nice bit of synchronicity mentioned earlier :)

There are no coincidences anymore?

From Mark Millar in a Wizard website interview:

Wow. Awesome. That's totally unexpected.

Come to think of it, who was Franklin's babysitter?

Agatha Harkness.

And Onslaught was last seen floating outside of "42" which is a weird coincidence.

I just looked up the Wikipedia entry on Onslaught and learned that Heroes Reborn Bucky is on Earth 616 now. I hope she appears in something soon.

I just looked up the Wikipedia entry on Onslaught and learned that Heroes Reborn Bucky is on Earth 616 now. I hope she appears in something soon.

Agreed!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/Sarkofagus_Lux_Coffin.jpg

What about Wolverine? I support his being in the Savage Land and physically attacking Sauron in what appeared to be deadly force to be suspicious. Everything said about him in the ComicBookResources.com Skrull card deck makes sense to me. They were able to replace him once before and nobody noticed a thing until he was killed.

I'm talking about him joining the NA but still having time for X-Men stuff. Given the fact that he's part of the NA you'd think Tony Stark would be asking Xavier to hand him over but there's none of that. What I think is that Xavier was replaced in that first Illuminati meeting in the Sentry arc of New Avengers which is why he said Logan talked to him about it.

And I believe that the Wolverine in NA is a Skrull which is why nobody mentions his membership on the New Avengers in X-Men and why he's on both teams.

I'm talking about him joining the NA but still having time for X-Men stuff. Given the fact that he's part of the NA you'd think Tony Stark would be asking Xavier to hand him over but there's none of that. What I think is that Xavier was replaced in that first Illuminati meeting in the Sentry arc of New Avengers which is why he said Logan talked to him about it.

And I believe that the Wolverine in NA is a Skrull which is why nobody mentions his membership on the New Avengers in X-Men and why he's on both teams.

For the first point, I thought there was a deal made in Civil War: X-Men that made the X-Men immune from registering?

Second point, I think the X-Men are used to Wolverine going off on his own a lot, so it's just never been brought up in the books.

Of course, I'm not saying that Logan couldn't be a Skrull in one of those books.

For the first point, I thought there was a deal made in Civil War: X-Men that made the X-Men immune from registering?

Second point, I think the X-Men are used to Wolverine going off on his own a lot, so it's just never been brought up in the books.

Of course, I'm not saying that Logan couldn't be a Skrull in one of those books.

Yeah but Wolverine is also aiding and abetting illegal superheros. So yeah I don't think they'd ignore that.

Yeah but Wolverine is also aiding and abetting illegal superheros. So yeah I don't think they'd ignore that.

True, although if we're talking Skrulls on NA, then I think it's likely there are more suspicious characters, as Wolverine's been showing up in at least three to four books a month for years. Like, Iron Fist...he seems to be wearing a slightly modified costume in his monthly and then the more traditional garb in NA. Not too much has been done with him in Avengers, so it's very possible that that was done on purpose.

True, although if we're talking Skrulls on NA, then I think it's likely there are more suspicious characters, as Wolverine's been showing up in at least three to four books a month for years. Like, Iron Fist...he seems to be wearing a slightly modified costume in his monthly and then the more traditional garb in NA. Not too much has been done with him in Avengers, so it's very possible that that was done on purpose.

I doubt Iron Fist is a Skrull considering the source of his powers. They're not natural and there's the fact it relies on his Chi and whatnot.

I doubt Iron Fist is a Skrull considering the source of his powers. They're not natural and there's the fact it relies on his Chi and whatnot.

Maybe, although I'd question what a Skrull would have to do to mimic Iron Fist's powers. Take Black Bolt, for instance. Depending on when Black Bolt was switched out (prior to Silent War or WWH, or Son of M), if he needed to use his powers (such as in the off-screen fight in WWH), then something like Black Bolt's powers would need to be mimicked, and, if that could be done, then I would imagine the Skrulls could mimic a faux Iron Fist power. No one else on New Avengers would know exactly how his powers are supposed to work, so whether it came from a source or not wouldn't matter for putting on an appearance with your teammates (Luke would possibly know, but I don't think Luke's been eliminated from the suspect pool at this point).

I'm excited to hear thoughts on Captain Marvel #3 tomorrow. Hopefully such will happen here and not in a bunch of separate threads....

I'm excited to hear thoughts on Captain Marvel #3 tomorrow. Hopefully such will happen here and not in a bunch of separate threads....

I'm gonna be bummed if whatever happens in CM #3 isn't absolutely HUGE.

I'm excited to hear thoughts on Captain Marvel #3 tomorrow. Hopefully such will happen here and not in a bunch of separate threads....

I'll put it in my sig.

I'm gonna be bummed if whatever happens in CM #3 isn't absolutely HUGE.

Its huge to me in that secret invasion information has been sparse and well...secretive. This one shows things and asks clear questions so we can focus our often random thoughts. So to me the issue does a lot. But there's no such product that pleases everyone so there's gonna be some "what was the big deal in Captain Marvel #3" posts. But for those of us into SI enough to re-read our comics and post every thought that comes into our heads in this thread and others, it'll give us much more to talk about.

Maybe, although I'd question what a Skrull would have to do to mimic Iron Fist's powers. Take Black Bolt, for instance. Depending on when Black Bolt was switched out (prior to Silent War or WWH, or Son of M), if he needed to use his powers (such as in the off-screen fight in WWH), then something like Black Bolt's powers would need to be mimicked, and, if that could be done, then I would imagine the Skrulls could mimic a faux Iron Fist power. No one else on New Avengers would know exactly how his powers are supposed to work, so whether it came from a source or not wouldn't matter for putting on an appearance with your teammates (Luke would possibly know, but I don't think Luke's been eliminated from the suspect pool at this point).

Black Bolt's powers are natural to him. Iron Fist had to gain his powers by plunging his hands into an immortal dragon's heart. You tell me where the Skrulls are going to find one of those. And Luke Cage would probably know how Iron Fist's powers work being that they're best friends and all.

And I'm guessing LJR we're going to get a little more insight on why that Wind guy (can't remember his name) and Colbat Man came after Mar-Vell?

I'm not sure if this has been asked, but I've been asking a few random questions here recently. Has Lyja come up at all? Last time I checked she and Johnny almost got back together when Onslaught attacked. Just wondering, since she pulled the ol' skrullcheroo before, and is still kind of at large.

In fact, feel free to ignore this post.

Black Bolt's powers are natural to him. Iron Fist had to gain his powers by plunging his hands into an immortal dragon's heart. You tell me where the Skrulls are going to find one of those. And Luke Cage would probably know how Iron Fist's powers work being that they're best friends and all.

And I'm guessing LJR we're going to get a little more insight on why that Wind guy (can't remember his name) and Colbat Man came after Mar-Vell?

Die-hard long time Marvel fans were already wondering that very thing. We noticed and so will the characters.

Black Bolt's powers are natural to him. Iron Fist had to gain his powers by plunging his hands into an immortal dragon's heart. You tell me where the Skrulls are going to find one of those.

They can just simulate it. Make it look like Iron Fist's power without it actually being Iron Fist's power. That's what the Skrulls that impersonated the FF way back when did.

I'm not sure if this has been asked, but I've been asking a few random questions here recently. Has Lyja come up at all? Last time I checked she and Johnny almost got back together when Onslaught attacked. Just wondering, since she pulled the ol' skrullcheroo before, and is still kind of at large.

Seems she hasn't resurfaced since the Onslaught days.

Seems she hasn't resurfaced since the Onslaught days.

Why do people keep asking for her?

WHY?!? :cry:

Why do people keep asking for her?

WHY?!? :cry:

I believe she (and well, Skrullverine) are the most notable examples of characters being replaced by Skrulls.

They can just simulate it. Make it look like Iron Fist's power without it actually being Iron Fist's power. That's what the Skrulls that impersonated the FF way back when did.

True since Fist's powers are energy looking. But I thought they actually did mimic the FF's powers? They even have Invisible Woman's powers down correctly. And I'll bet you we'll see Black Panther have a tie-in since he's on that Skrull deck of cards.

I believe she (and well, Skrullverine) are the most notable examples of characters being replaced by Skrulls.

But... But... Shitty character and ideas should stay away forever and never come back! :cry:

True since Fist's powers are energy looking. But I thought they actually did mimic the FF's powers? They even have Invisible Woman's powers down correctly. And I'll bet you we'll see Black Panther have a tie-in since he's on that Skrull deck of cards.

We've seen a Skrull with a Thor hammer. It seems likely they can mimic pretty much anything they want at this point.

But... But... Shitty character and ideas should stay away forever and never come back! :cry:

Cable becoming awesome this year says otherwise.

We've seen a Skrull with a Thor hammer. It seems likely they can mimic pretty much anything they want at this point.

Just because it's a hammer, doesn't mean it can do everything mjolnir does.

As a Thor fan, I'd actually find it fairly ridiculous if it did. You're talking about one of the most retardedly powerful weapons in the marvel universe there. It can't be replicated.

True since Fist's powers are energy looking. But I thought they actually did mimic the FF's powers? They even have Invisible Woman's powers down correctly. And I'll bet you we'll see Black Panther have a tie-in since he's on that Skrull deck of cards.

I mean way back when, like when the Skrulls first appeared. They would simulate the FF's powers, because they didn't actually have them. They'd use their shapeshifting to make the Skrull Reed stretch, and their size-changing abilities to make the Invisible Woman Skrull disappear.

These days, it's pretty much a given that the Skrulls can actually copy almost any power they want. Those new Super-Skrulls seem pretty badass.

Just because it's a hammer, doesn't mean it can do everything mjolnir does.

Obviously it can't, seeing as how Mjolnir is like the most awesome thing ever and I'm quite certain Thor must be at least semi-retarded given that he gets his ass kicked even when he's got Mjolnir like right in his hand.

I believe she (and well, Skrullverine) are the most notable examples of characters being replaced by Skrulls.

Well how many Skrulls do we even know by name other than her? And she is an example of a Skrull agent who kind of bought into the human lifestyle. It would be nice to hear her mentioned. Who knows maybe Johnny Storm will be forced to give up her whereabouts even thought I doubt she will know anything about anything. Here are some guesses about SI: 1- Some people we like will have been switched out. 2- Some real characters will be unable to prove their validity and will have a hard time 3- Not all Skrulls on Earth will be participant in this invasion and will get treated in some very inhuman ways 4- The infiltration is probably close to being over and the next stage set to begin. These are interesting things and unique opportunities I would like to see rather than standard fare. I trust Bendis and Breevort to get this one really, really right. For old timers like me and new people too.

Just because it's a hammer, doesn't mean it can do everything mjolnir does.

As a Thor fan, I'd actually find it fairly ridiculous if it did. You're talking about one of the most retardedly powerful weapons in the marvel universe there. It can't be replicated.

That's true. I read somewhere in an interview that it could just be a classic avenger Thor since the current Thor still has a connection to the Odin Power. And let's not forget that if Tony Stark, Reed Richards, and Hank Pym can mimic Mjolinr's powers with technology, then couldn't the Skrulls steal or have the same tech?

Now it might not have the teleportation abilities but it sure has the thunder down.

Obviously it can't, seeing as how Mjolnir is like the most awesome thing ever and I'm quite certain Thor must be at least semi-retarded given that he gets his ass kicked even when he's got Mjolnir like right in his hand.

...W-well, okay, Jimmy, if you want the hammer that was in one panel and will most likely never be shown again to be just like the real mjolnir, then it's just like the real mjolnir. :scared:

Just because it's a hammer, doesn't mean it can do everything mjolnir does.

As a Thor fan, I'd actually find it fairly ridiculous if it did. You're talking about one of the most retardedly powerful weapons in the marvel universe there. It can't be replicated.

For intents and purposed clone Thor was getting the job done with his fake hammer. That guy clobbered the resistance. Sure it might not be able to transport people through space, but it can spit lightning and take the face off of you, right?

That's true. I read somewhere in an interview that it could just be a classic avenger Thor since the current Thor still has a connection to the Odin Power. And let's not forget that if Tony Stark, Reed Richards, and Hank Pym can mimic Mjolinr's powers with technology, then couldn't the Skrulls steal or have the same tech?

Now it might not have the teleportation abilities but it sure has the thunder down.

Thunder's very easy to make. Clor's hammer was weak sauce compared to the real thing.

Just because it's a hammer, doesn't mean it can do everything mjolnir does.

As a Thor fan, I'd actually find it fairly ridiculous if it did. You're talking about one of the most retardedly powerful weapons in the marvel universe there. It can't be replicated.

Tony and Reed pretty much pulled it off.

2- Some real characters will be unable to prove their validity and will have a hard time

That could be cool.


I think it would be kinda funny if some characters were actually sleeper agents, BUT they didn't get "deprogrammed" correctly, so they keep thinking they're the person they're posing as, and then they have like a blood test done or something and find out, much to their disbelief, that they're Skrulls, and then they have this existential crisis.

Ms.Marvel's cat is a skrull!

That's all i've got for tonight.

That's true. I read somewhere in an interview that it could just be a classic avenger Thor since the current Thor still has a connection to the Odin Power. And let's not forget that if Tony Stark, Reed Richards, and Hank Pym can mimic Mjolinr's powers with technology, then couldn't the Skrulls steal or have the same tech?

Now it might not have the teleportation abilities but it sure has the thunder down.
Scary how similar our posts were.

Yes, Skrull technology is more advanced that what is common on Earth so many things are possible.

Tony and Reed pretty much pulled it off.

No they didn't. They made a shitty hammer that gives off electricity. That's really simple to do with the technology people like them have.

That could be cool.


I think it would be kinda funny if some characters were actually sleeper agents, BUT they didn't get "deprogrammed" correctly, so they keep thinking they're the person they're posing as, and then they have like a blood test done or something and find out, much to their disbelief, that they're Skrulls, and then they have this existential crisis.

Maria Hill. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

For intents and purposed clone Thor was getting the job done with his fake hammer. That guy clobbered the resistance. Sure it might not be able to transport people through space, but it can spit lightning and take the face off of you, right?

And if we're to believe what if Civil War then even a weaker Thor can kick ass and take names real easy. That hammer may be weak sauce but it's still spells danger. What I'm wondering is can Skrulls replicate stuff like Ms Marvel's Binary powers, or Thor's Odin Force, or the Power Cosmic?

And Maria Hill I don't suspect. She even questioned why she was made Director since she was just a low class agent before and she even believes they made her director just to fuck it up. That's not something a Skrull would want someone to know.

Tony and Reed pretty much pulled it off.

Mjolnir is much more powerful, and does many more things than just cast lightning. It's one of the most versatile weapons in the universe. Like a Green Lantern ring, almost.

...W-well, okay, Jimmy, if you want the hammer that was in one panel and will most likely never be shown again to be just like the real mjolnir, then it's just like the real mjolnir. :scared:

I was actually being serious in that post.

Mjolnir is much more powerful, and does many more things than just cast lightning. It's one of the most versatile weapons in the universe. Like a Green Lantern ring, almost.

But that would probably be enough to fool most people for brief amounts of time.

Plus, they could probably mimic the teleportation as well.

I was actually being serious in that post.

Oh.


Okay, I'm gonna go to sleep and come back tomorrow, when I actually make sense out of what people in the board are saying. :lol:

Mjolnir is much more powerful, and does many more things than just cast lightning. It's one of the most versatile weapons in the universe. Like a Green Lantern ring, almost.

I thought it only could do Teleportation, weather control, and fly. Since when can it make anything it's user imagines?

And if we're to believe what if Civil War then even a weaker Thor can kick ass and take names real easy. That hammer may be weak sauce but it's still spells danger. What I'm wondering is can Skrulls replicate stuff like Ms Marvel's Binary powers, or Thor's Odin Force, or the Power Cosmic?

I think if they could do that, they wouldn't bother with an infiltration. They could just do full frontal attacks and wipe the planet clean in an incredibly brief amount of time.

But that would probably be enough to fool most people for brief amounts of time.

Plus, they could probably mimic the teleportation as well.

Teleportation isn't exactly a uncommon skill among the costume set is it? If Skrulls can invent power mimicking technology then it should be easy for them to infuse a device with teleportation.

I think if they could do that, they wouldn't bother with an infiltration. They could just do full frontal attacks and wipe the planet clean in an incredibly brief amount of time.

But I'm saying do they have that capability. If they can replicate Black Bolt's voice couldn't they do that. If they have an agent with Ms Marvel's powers then couldn't they enhance it to the same degree that the Brood did? Where exactly do her Binary powers come from anyway?

That could be cool.


I think it would be kinda funny if some characters were actually sleeper agents, BUT they didn't get "deprogrammed" correctly, so they keep thinking they're the person they're posing as, and then they have like a blood test done or something and find out, much to their disbelief, that they're Skrulls, and then they have this existential crisis.

Just saying how in the world can Clint Barton verify himself now that various tests are no longer reliable? He died blowing up a Kree space ship that was made of unknown matter, but was reborn in a reformed reality where mutants ruled the Earth (that like 11 characters can recall), then he got a second chance at life when that was all undone, but he kinda just kept to himself. That's what actually happened and it doesn't sound on the level. I want to see Doctor Doom run his own tests on some unwilling participants.

I was gonna ask a question about Skrulls during the House of M, but I can't word it right...

And if we're to believe what if Civil War then even a weaker Thor can kick ass and take names real easy. That hammer may be weak sauce but it's still spells danger. What I'm wondering is can Skrulls replicate stuff like Ms Marvel's Binary powers, or Thor's Odin Force, or the Power Cosmic?

And Maria Hill I don't suspect. She even questioned why she was made Director since she was just a low class agent before and she even believes they made her director just to fuck it up. That's not something a Skrull would want someone to know.

If you're a Skrull you have to ask all the right questions though don't you? You're not going to wring your hands and say "finally, the command is mine!" For the most part no one has made any clear mistakes other than Elektra getting herself killed. Even the move against the Illuminati was a calculated one. The invasion must be about complete if they chose to actually reveal how deeply they can infiltrate and how undetectable they are.

Teleportation isn't exactly a uncommon skill among the costume set is it? If Skrulls can invent power mimicking technology then it should be easy for them to infuse a device with teleportation.

That's what I'm saying.

I think eliminating anybody as a potential Skrull with the logic that "They couldn't mimic that power correctly" is gonna be proven false.

Just saying how in the world can Clint Barton verify himself now that various tests are no longer reliable? He died blowing up a Kree space ship that was made of unknown matter, but was reborn in a reformed reality where mutants ruled the Earth (that like 11 characters can recall), then he got a second chance at life when that was all undone, but he kinda just kept to himself. That's what actually happened and it doesn't sound on the level. I want to see Doctor Doom run his own tests on some unwilling participants.

I was gonna ask a question about Skrulls during the House of M, but I can't word it right...

Doom is not asking he demands you submit to this test:)

I wonder how the hell Mighty Avengers ends up with Sentry and Stark traveling through time with Doom? I know Mighty is supposed to be more classic super hero stuff (Ie taking on the threats no one else can) but would Sentry or Doom really be stupid enough to risking damaging time just because of their fight?

And for that matter has Doom actually addressed about that figurhead Von Bardas being made to replace him?

I thought it only could do Teleportation, weather control, and fly. Since when can it make anything it's user imagines?

By the Green Lantern ring comparison I mean that Mjolnir is very versatile. It does many things apart from fly, control the weather and teleport things. It can detect illusions, manipulate matter, heal people, cast or cancel magical spells, drain life energies, project illusions, travel through time, etc. etc. etc.

Mjolnir is much more powerful, and does many more things than just cast lightning. It's one of the most versatile weapons in the universe. Like a Green Lantern ring, almost.

I know, but as Civil War showed even a fake Mjolnir that can't do 90% of what the real one can do is still capable of laying folks out.

We're getting distracted. The Skrulls are winning.

Pietro wired Charles and Wanda together into a reality manipulator. Everyone's fondest wishes were taken into account as Pietro built the house of M. He did this to Skrulls too. Of course Charles can't snap through the Skrulls mental shields so he would have used the faux human sleeper template to take into account their needs for creating a better world.

Asked and answered.

I know, but as Civil War showed even a fake Mjolnir that can't do 90% of what the real one can do is still capable of laying folks out.

We're getting distracted. The Skrulls are winning.

:scared:

If you're a Skrull you have to ask all the right questions though don't you? You're not going to wring your hands and say "finally, the command is mine!" For the most part no one has made any clear mistakes other than Elektra getting herself killed. Even the move against the Illuminati was a calculated one. The invasion must be about complete if they chose to actually reveal how deeply they can infiltrate and how undetectable they are.

True. But wouldn't they want the Illuminati to let their findings be unfounded so that they'd think it's just one Skrull? I'm guessing that's to eliminate the idea of banding together out of fear one of them might be a Skrull?

And when exactly did that X-Men plot where they travel to the Skrull homeworld happen? Since I find it pretty interesting Skrulls make it their pastime back then to train to be superheros.

Teleportation isn't exactly a uncommon skill among the costume set is it? If Skrulls can invent power mimicking technology then it should be easy for them to infuse a device with teleportation.

To me the Skrulls can do whatever they can do on Star Trek. That means faster than light travel, teleportation, etc. Speaking of teleportation/ beaming down...gotta sit on that until tomorrow, but someone will revisit that very detail.

But I'm saying do they have that capability. If they can replicate Black Bolt's voice couldn't they do that. If they have an agent with Ms Marvel's powers then couldn't they enhance it to the same degree that the Brood did? Where exactly do her Binary powers come from anyway?

Like I said, if they could do that sort of thing, I doubt they would bother with infiltration and deceit. There's a world of difference between Black Bolt's voice and the Odin Force, the Power Cosmic and Ms. Marvel's Binary powers. If the Skrulls could do stuff like that, nothing on Earth could stand against them except maybe the Sentry on a good day.

Like I said, if they could do that sort of thing, I doubt they would bother with infiltration and deceit. There's a world of difference between Black Bolt's voice and the Odin Force, the Power Cosmic and Ms. Marvel's Binary powers. If the Skrulls could do stuff like that, nothing on Earth could stand against them except maybe the Sentry on a good day.

Black Bolt's voice incinerated Doc Strange and the Sentry in What If Planet Hulk if that counts for anything. But what I wonder is can the Skrulls mimic the full limits of a person's ability. Since when Skrull bolt screamed at Namor he just knocked him back, even a whisper from Black Bolt is powerful enough to break the Hulk like a twig on a good day.

Maybe this has something to do with like the original Super Skrull he couldn't enhance his powers to take on the Fantastic Four until they shot a ray at him. Maybe they need that Ray to take the mimicked powers beyond the limit.

True. But wouldn't they want the Illuminati to let their findings be unfounded so that they'd think it's just one Skrull? I'm guessing that's to eliminate the idea of banding together out of fear one of them might be a Skrull?

And when exactly did that X-Men plot where they travel to the Skrull homeworld happen? Since I find it pretty interesting Skrulls make it their pastime back then to train to be superheros.
Makes you wonder if an Infinity gem isn't in play since there are so few mistakes being made. But again, how do you use a gem and show any kind of restraint especially if you're a prideful Skrull.

That was a cool story by Alan Davis. The X-men were lost in time and came out at the wrong place and time to discover a full on Skrull training ground on their Throneworld. The Skrulls were among other things heroes known to be dead (at the time with costumes of the time) which was interesting. Unfortunately this plot was uncovered not long before Galactus consumed Throneworld (so it would have been a while ago continuity wise and in theory no one there escaped, but the plan could have survived).

Makes you wonder if an Infinity gem isn't in play since there are so few mistakes being made. But again, how do you use a gem and show any kind of restraint especially if you're a prideful Skrull.

That was a cool story by Alan Davis. The X-men were lost in time and came out at the wrong place and time to discover a full on Skrull training ground on their Throneworld. The Skrulls were among other things heroes known to be dead (at the time with costumes of the time) which was interesting. Unfortunately this plot was uncovered not long before Galactus consumed Throneworld (so it would have been a while ago continuity wise and in theory no one there escaped, but the plan could have survived).

I don't think they have the Space Gem that's for sure. If they had it they wouldn't need an invasion they could just exist everywhere at once and kill the human race. I do think however they might have the mind gem.

It might explain why they could even push back Professor X one of the best telepaths to ever live. They could in theory just make it so that their agent's thought's can't be read.

Also what issues of X-Men did the Alan Davis story take place in? I'd really love to pick it up.

Black Bolt's voice incinerated Doc Strange and the Sentry in What If Planet Hulk if that counts for anything.
Take that bit with a grain of salt. It is, after all, a What If...? story.

Pushing his powers to the limit, Black Bolt could probably destroy planets, but it's still got a ways to go against something like the Odin Power, which can do many wickedly awesome things like stop time or destroy galaxies.

Don't pay too much attention to that. It's just a What If...? story.

Pushing his powers to the limit, Black Bolt could probably destroy planets, but it's still got a ways to go against something like the Odin Power, which can do many wickedly awesome things like stop time or destroy galaxies.

I'm not trying to compare the Odin Force to Black Bolt's voice. Although I do believe it could compete with the Binary power. If Ms Marvel could become that just from experimentation why couldn't the Skrulls replicate that? And yeah I guess it is better to see the What If like that.

I'm so excited about Secret Invasion I actually registered just to join the conversation.

I just wanted to throw out a theory about Lindsey Reynolds. I thnk that Jarvis switched the bodies because he is a Skrull. He has been acting suspicious for quite some time.

I'm so excited about Secret Invasion I actually registered just to join the conversation.

I just wanted to throw out a theory about Lindsey Reynolds. I thnk that Jarvis switched the bodies because he is a Skrull. He has been acting suspicious for quite some time.

Nah. Sentry's been proven to have healing powers before. If he can do stuff like erase the entire world's memory of him then he could probably bring back his wife too. And if his wife was a Skrull she would've reverted.

Although it is possible for that to happen since Sentry is fragile and a Skrull could take advantage of that.

I'm not trying to compare the Odin Force to Black Bolt's voice. Although I do believe it could compete with the Binary power. If Ms Marvel could become that just from experimentation why couldn't the Skrulls replicate that? And yeah I guess it is better to see the What If like that.

I guess they could, but really, I think if they'd done that, they wouldn't bother with replacing and tricking people, like I said. Maybe it's just technology that's not available to them at the moment.

I'm so excited about Secret Invasion I actually registered just to join the conversation.

I just wanted to throw out a theory about Lindsey Reynolds. I thnk that Jarvis switched the bodies because he is a Skrull. He has been acting suspicious for quite some time.

Welcome to the board.

I'm so excited about Secret Invasion I actually registered just to join the conversation.

I just wanted to throw out a theory about Lindsey Reynolds. I thnk that Jarvis switched the bodies because he is a Skrull. He has been acting suspicious for quite some time.

And also welcome to the board.:)

Thank you! I look forward to my stay. I've been lurking so long I feel like I know most of you already.

I'm so excited about Secret Invasion I actually registered just to join the conversation.

I just wanted to throw out a theory about Lindsey Reynolds. I thnk that Jarvis switched the bodies because he is a Skrull. He has been acting suspicious for quite some time.

The butler did it! I love it.

Is it possible the Skrulls manipulated some of the events of Avengers Disassembled. Did we ever learn who the two shadowy figures were in the first part. I'm also starting to think that skrulls are impersonating heroes who are alive (Ms Marvel, Iron Man) to try and generate distrust.

In regards to the power levels that Skrulls could attain, I doubt they would ever be able to duplicate the total raw power, but most of the time they would just have to be convincing. It would explain how the Hulk was able to take down Black Bolt, whose whisper can destroy a mountain.

Is it possible the Skrulls manipulated some of the events of Avengers Disassembled. Did we ever learn who the two shadowy figures were in the first part.

I'm pretty sure those were supposed to be the Scarlet Witch's kids.

I'm pretty sure those were supposed to be the Scarlet Witch's kids.

But they seriously look like Skrulls.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/camel100s/Skrully.jpg

I mean Look at that Chin!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/camel100s/Skrully.jpg

I mean Look at that Chin!
what a chin ... :)

I'm pretty sure those were supposed to be the Scarlet Witch's kids.

Oh, wait, I thought we were talking about the end. Yeah, never mind.

I'm so excited about Secret Invasion I actually registered just to join the conversation.

I just wanted to throw out a theory about Lindsey Reynolds. I thnk that Jarvis switched the bodies because he is a Skrull. He has been acting suspicious for quite some time.

That's why I joined too :ninjas:

Does anyone think Pym is a Skrull?

Nah. Sentry's been proven to have healing powers before. If he can do stuff like erase the entire world's memory of him then he could probably bring back his wife too. And if his wife was a Skrull she would've reverted.

Although it is possible for that to happen since Sentry is fragile and a Skrull could take advantage of that.

Didn't he have Cloc to assist with that though? That didn't all come from inside him as I remember it. I really don't know what all he can do though...

Die-hard long time Marvel fans were already wondering that very thing. We noticed and so will the characters.

I'm going to be disappointed if it's what was posted a few weeks ago about them being Skrulls in disguise testing him and underestimating his power levels saying they changed or something.

Scary how similar our posts were.

Yes, Skrull technology is more advanced that what is common on Earth so many things are possible.
Mjolnir can do more than that. It can manipulate the weather on a planetary scale. It can manipulate any kind of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum, anti-matter, mystical energies, and can rearrange matter.

I can't see any tech being able to duplicate all that power and stick it inside a two-foot hammer.

And the next cards in the deck.

(with commentary)

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EARTH'S MOST WANTED: THE NINES

NINE OF SPADES - CAPTAIN MARVEL
The most stressful thing about planning an invasion of Marvel Earth has got to be all the heroes that just won’t stay dead! Thor has returned from the dead, there’s a new Captain America running around, and perhaps the most vexing return for the Skrulls is that of Mar-Vell AKA Captain Marvel, who could prove very, very dangerous to their plans. “Mar-Vell and his people, the Kree, are the Skrulls' most persistent enemies,” Tom Brevoort told CBR News. “And Mar-Vell is their greatest warrior.”

Mar-Vell’s status among the Skrulls and the circumstances behind his return makes dealing with the Kree superhero very complicated. “He's like public enemy #1 to the Skrulls,” Brevoort said. “By that same token, though, if it's necessary to the space-time continuum for Mar-Vell to eventually return to the past in order to live out his destiny, then the Skrulls need to be careful in how they deal with him as well, since killing him in the present could have catastrophic effects on the timeline.”

Ahh, very good point. Of course, they don't know that unless Reed or Tony have been compromised, right? Or did CM tell everyone at 42?

Killing Captain Marvel may not be a viable option for the Skrulls, but replacing their hated foe with a Skrull doppelganger would be an effective strategy. As the former warden of the Negative Zone prison, Mar-Vell would have access to a powerful and easily exploitable resource, imprisoned supervillains.

I'm convinced more and more that 42 is in their hands.

If replacing Mar-Vell proves too difficult or costly, the Skrulls can always neutralize him in other ways. “Mar-Vell's been off the grid for a long time, and the world has changed,” Brevoort explained. “So he's not necessarily up to speed on all the players, and where the world is,” Brevoort remarked. “And his relationships are all years old, so he's still a bit out of touch.”

NINE OF HEARTS - SUPER SKRULL
If history has proven anything, it’s that regardless of culture, there’s nothing more dangerous to the power of a ruling elite than a beloved folk hero beyond control. The Skrull conspirators are aware of this, and it’s one of the reasons why they see Kl’rt, the Super-Skrull, as a threat. “Kl'rt is seen as something of a relic by the current Skrull government, a hold-over of a bygone day, a warrior who's past his prime,” Brevoort said. “So, as we've seen in the various ‘Annihilation’ titles, they'd be perfectly happy if he just faded away.”

Suspicious readers might think the Skrull conspirators somehow had a hand in the events of the current “Annihilation: Conquest” miniseries, as the villainous Phalanx could possibly wipe out both the Super-Skrull and the Kree Empire. “That’s a total coincidence,” Brevoort confirmed. “The Skrulls aren't involved in what the Phalanx are doing in ‘Conquest.’”

“Annihilation: Conquest” comes to an end in April, right around the same time the Skrulls’ “Secret Invasion” enters its final phase. Should Kl’rt survive “Conquest,” the Skrull conspirators won’t be looking to replace him with an impostor. “There's nobody on whom such an impersonation could be used,” Brevoort explained. “It's more likely that, now that they've perfected the technology to create additional Super-Skrulls, they might look to eliminate Kl'rt as a failed prototype.”

Unfortunately for the Skrulls, Kl’rt’s powers and skills as a warrior make him a difficult foe to eliminate. If killing the original Super-Skrull proves too hazardous, the Skrull conspirators could try to take advantage of one of his personality traits, a quality that’s both a strength and weakness. “He's loyal to the Skrull race as a whole,” said Brevoort, “so he could potentially be brought onboard with what the current regime plans to do.”

Yeah, he's important to the race, but I thought he was also a joke in some Skrulls eyes. Either way, he's on the other side of the galaxy right? So, this was a useless card. :P

NINE OF DIAMONDS - YELLOWJACKET
The Skrulls are certainly aware of Henry Pym’s cunning and bravery, but it’s Yellowjacket’s scientific acumen that most disturbs the aliens. “While this new breed of Skrull has so far proven elusive against even Professor X's telepathy, Wolverine's enhanced senses and Doctor Strange's sorcery, they still have to concern themselves with discovery,” Brevoort explained. “So Hank, like any of the real uber-brains of the Marvel U, poses a threat in that he might be able to work out a way to detect the Skrulls among us, thus eliminating their greatest advantage.”

Yellowjacket’s high ranking in the U.S. Military’s superhuman army, The Initiative, makes him a desirable target for Skrull replacement. “Being highly-placed in the Initiative moves him more to the center of the board in terms of his overall influence over superhuman matters,” Brevoort said. “If the Skrulls replace Yellowjacket, they gain access to the structure of the Fifty State Initiative at its highest level, as well as eliminating a player who might be able to unravel their schemes.”

Replacement isn’t the only strategy to neutralize or control Henry Pym. The Skrulls can also employ any number of psychological warfare tactics. “He’s possibly a bit more vulnerable than the norm, given his long history of mental problems,” Brevoort remarked.

Definitely a target, but not replaced. Wasp is likely the angle they went for. Of course, this might tie into the whole Skrulls-started-Disassembled stuff. And coincidentally, they mention Pym after the Annihilation stuff.. subtle :P

NINE OF CLUBS - WOLVERINE
An enemy with an unbreakable skeleton and a healing factor like Wolverine is quite daunting to any opponent, but what the Skrulls find more dangerous is Wolverine’s skill set. The mutant’s covert operative training and almost century’s worth of experience employing those skills as a soldier, spy and killer make him one of the most dangerous men on the planet.

Wolverine’s connections to both the X-Men and the New Avengers are also sources of worry to the Skrulls. “Now that Wolverine is a member of the New Avengers, this ups his profile as a target, as he's in close with two diverse sets of superhumans who will likely be an obstacle to the Skrulls' plans,” Brevoort said.

A good reason why he's a good target for replacement

Wolverine’s skills, connections, and healing factor make him an enemy that simply must be removed from the board. For the Skrulls, the most likely strategy would be to replace Wolverine with an impostor. “They've done it before, successfully [during the 2000 X-Men storyline ‘The Twelve’], so they've got some experience in doing so,” Brevoort stated. “And with the fact that Logan is so mysterious in his comings and goings, and so gruff, it's probably an easy impersonation to pull off.”

That's a good point. Someone who can heal can be a huge threat.

Wolverine is certainly one of the busiest heroes in the Marvel Universe, appearing in “New Avengers,” “Wolverine,” “Wolverine: Origins,” and now “X-Force,” which is something the Skrulls might take advantage of. “He must be awfully tired from appearing in so many books,” Brevoort joked.

Also, wasn't Stark forced to leave behind a suit of Iron Man armor when they attacked the Skrull homeworld?

Who knows how that could have helped them.. and there's that persistent War Machine rumor as well.

Didn't he have Cloc to assist with that though? That didn't all come from inside him as I remember it. I really don't know what all he can do though...
There wasn't any indication that CLOC played a role in the New Avengers storyline. It was implied that Sentry subconsciously did it with his psionic powers.

The Sentry might remember it differently because of Mastermind screwing with his mind.

Also, wasn't Stark forced to leave behind a suit of Iron Man armor when they attacked the Skrull homeworld?

Who knows how that could have helped them.. and there's that persistent War Machine rumor as well.

I've wondered if Skrulls may have developed a technology that allows them (or one) to morph into something traditionally non-organic, say like a computer virus, that would give them the ability to infiltrate Stark's suit, SHIELD computers, etc. without the unit in question being unaware of it's presence.

I've wondered if Skrulls may have developed a technology that allows them (or one) to morph into something traditionally non-organic, say like a computer virus, that would give them the ability to infiltrate Stark's suit, SHIELD computers, etc. without the unit in question being unaware of it's presence.

Mutant Skrull. ;)

So, Captain Mar-Vell:

The Kree are Skrulls.

And they refer to CM as "IT" and he survives a shot to the head at point blank.

Does this mean he CAN'T die because of the timestream stuff or what?

Are you suggesting CM's return was faked? A Skrull plot?

I'm confused.

So, Captain Mar-Vell:

The Kree are Skrulls.

And they refer to CM as "IT" and he survives a shot to the head at point blank.

Does this mean he CAN'T die because of the timestream stuff or what?

Are you suggesting CM's return was faked? A Skrull plot?

I'm confused.
I think they called Mar-vell an it in order to degrade him in the same way they feel they are superior to humans. That's how I read it and I thought it to be a small detail that was really cool. I don't think Mar-vell is invincible, but I do think he is much stronger than anyone realizes through whatever happened to bring him to the present.

The Kree being Skrulls in disguise puts Disassembled (the Kree gound assault for no apparent reason) into new light. The fact that deceased super villains are indeed active (how many raft escapees were known to be dead by Avengers files?). Those are just a couple of things up for debate now.

I think they called Mar-vell an it in order to degrade him in the same way they feel they are superior to humans. That's how I read it and I thought it to be a small detail that was really cool. I don't think Mar-vell is invincible, but I do think he is much stronger than anyone realizes through whatever happened to bring him to the present.

The Kree being Skrulls in disguise puts Disassembled (the Kree gound assault for no apparent reason) into new light. The fact that deceased super villains are indeed active (how many raft escapees were known to be dead by Avengers files?). Those are just a couple of things up for debate now.

Ahh.

Ok. Yeah, I suggested a while back that the Kree in AV #500 were really a Skrull warship that was transporting a LOT of Skrulls.

Ahh.

Ok. Yeah, I suggested a while back that the Kree in AV #500 were really a Skrull warship that was transporting a LOT of Skrulls.

I think you've suggested just about everything under the sun at one point or another. You're good like that. ;)

I think you've suggested just about everything under the sun at one point or another. You're good like that. ;)

Kinda hard not to. I pegged a Skrull Invasion back in 2005. :D

Okay, so if Captain Marvel isn't Captain Marvel, what is he? Is he a Skrull clone programmed to THINK he's Cap to just screw everything up for the heroes?

And does this confirm the Skrulls have totally infiltrated 42?

Okay, so if Captain Marvel isn't Captain Marvel, what is he? Is he a Skrull clone programmed to THINK he's Cap to just screw everything up for the heroes?

And does this confirm the Skrulls have totally infiltrated 42?

I don't think Mar-Vell is a Skrull.

As for you second question, the Skrulls have no doubt infiltrated SHIELD, so it's very likely they are some running around in 42.

Now here's what I'm thinking — The Mar-Vell we're seeing is a clone developed by the Skrulls. They gave him amped up powers the same way they've created better Super-Skrulls. They also programmed him to think he's Mar-Vell based on research they did on him in the Kree-Skrull war.

The problem: Because he thinks he's Mar-Vell, well....he is Mar-Vell. (The old 'I think therefore I am')

Now WHY would the Skrulls do this? That I don't know. Just to mess with the heroes' heads, I guess.

Kinda hard not to. I pegged a Skrull Invasion back in 2005. :D

Do you have that on a t-shirt yet? Buttons at least? :)

Now here's what I'm thinking — The Mar-Vell we're seeing is a clone developed by the Skrulls. They gave him amped up powers the same way they've created better Super-Skrulls. They also programmed him to think he's Mar-Vell based on research they did on him in the Kree-Skrull war.

The problem: Because he thinks he's Mar-Vell, well....he is Mar-Vell. (The old 'I think therefore I am')

Now WHY would the Skrulls do this? That I don't know. Just to mess with the heroes' heads, I guess.

I don't know, I don't see it. I think that he is where he is for a reason.

Also, I had to have someone explain to me the historic relevance of the painting throughout the mini because I had no idea what it was.

Now here's what I'm thinking — The Mar-Vell we're seeing is a clone developed by the Skrulls. They gave him amped up powers the same way they've created better Super-Skrulls. They also programmed him to think he's Mar-Vell based on research they did on him in the Kree-Skrull war.

The problem: Because he thinks he's Mar-Vell, well....he is Mar-Vell. (The old 'I think therefore I am')

Now WHY would the Skrulls do this? That I don't know. Just to mess with the heroes' heads, I guess.

Doubtful. That'd mean that Reed or Tony have been replaced/duped.

If the Skrulls are able to plan a fake in the past, why do they need to bother with sneaking around again?

Do you have that on a t-shirt yet? Buttons at least? :)

I invested quite a bit of money in the "Dr. Strange HAS to be a Skrull!!" thing, but that went bust.. ah well, maybe next summer. ;)

SPOILERS

Why are the skrulls being revealed? Both the one that him and tony "capture" and the one at the end. I thought it was weird that they transformed when they did...

Now here's what I'm thinking — The Mar-Vell we're seeing is a clone developed by the Skrulls. They gave him amped up powers the same way they've created better Super-Skrulls. They also programmed him to think he's Mar-Vell based on research they did on him in the Kree-Skrull war.

The problem: Because he thinks he's Mar-Vell, well....he is Mar-Vell. (The old 'I think therefore I am')

Now WHY would the Skrulls do this? That I don't know. Just to mess with the heroes' heads, I guess.

I totally agree and it goes with the ending of the book 1 "I am Here."

I don't know, I don't see it. I think that he is where he is for a reason.

Also, I had to have someone explain to me the historic relevance of the painting throughout the mini because I had no idea what it was.

What did your friend say about the painting? Because I've been trying to find information about it and can't really find anything that fits Mar-Vell's situation except for the fact that Alexander died in Babylon.

I think they called Mar-vell an it in order to degrade him in the same way they feel they are superior to humans. That's how I read it and I thought it to be a small detail that was really cool. I don't think Mar-vell is invincible, but I do think he is much stronger than anyone realizes through whatever happened to bring him to the present.

The Kree being Skrulls in disguise puts Disassembled (the Kree gound assault for no apparent reason) into new light. The fact that deceased super villains are indeed active (how many raft escapees were known to be dead by Avengers files?). Those are just a couple of things up for debate now.

That and the fact that Kree don't make references to prophecies. As far as I know the Supreme Intelligence can't predict the future can he? And the book needs a SI tie-in dress. But yeah that was a nice surprise. That was pretty freaking weird that the Skrulls would do more to show Tony they're invading. And at least we have a reason why Colbalt Man and Cyclone were acting like they knew him which means I was right :D. And why was Tony letting Agent Sante know he was suspecting that the Church of Hala were Skrulls, wouldn't he be cautious just in case she was a Skrull, And with those church members were they covering up the Skrulls because they are Skrulls or did they kill it? The words they were using to describe it were making it a bit difficult to tell. And this does put the Raft breakout in a whole new light, if dead guys like Cyclone and Colbalt Man are running around as Skrulls then that means a large portion of the Raft's escaped inmates could be Skrulls. And also why was Mar-Vell so pissed that he threatened to kill Carol This issue

That and the fact that Kree don't make references to prophecies. As far as I know the Supreme Intelligence can't predict the future can he? And the book needs a SI tie-in dress. But yeah that was a nice surprise. That was pretty freaking weird that the Skrulls would do more to show Tony they're invading. And at least we have a reason why Colbalt Man and Cyclone were acting like they knew him which means I was right :D. And why was Tony letting Agent Sante know he was suspecting that the Church of Hala were Skrulls, wouldn't he be cautious just in case she was a Skrull, And with those church members were they covering up the Skrulls because they are Skrulls or did they kill it? The words they were using to describe it were making it a bit difficult to tell. And this does put the Raft breakout in a whole new light, if dead guys like Cyclone and Colbalt Man are running around as Skrulls then that means a large portion of the Raft's escaped inmates could be Skrulls. And also why was Mar-Vell so pissed that he threatened to kill Carol This issue

I'm pretty much repeating what I said in the Capt. Marvel #3 thread outside, but..I think that the Skrulls are over confident but maybe rightfully so. One of the last things to do to seal the deal on the invasion of Earth would be to start showing themselves more readily. That lets the heroes know that they are there and could be anyone and anywhere. Probably not nearly as many as the good guys think, but its enough to get them to stop communicating with each other, to actually start accusing one another or worse. And that would be the final straw to break the hero network. Get them to do the last bit of work for you.

Ok, based on the preview copy of HULK #2, I take back my General Ross is a Skrull theory :)

I still don't get all the talk of him being swapped out in the past. Wouldn't that invalidate a huge story? (Starlin's ending?)

I saw it more as a mindgame. Remember what Jackal did to Spidey with the whole clone saga, making him doubt himself? Or to put it another way, look at how powerful Sentry is, and how useless he can be when he doubts himself.

Ok, based on the preview copy of HULK #2, I take back my General Ross is a Skrull theory :)

So...

He's the Red Hulk then, right?

I still don't get all the talk of him being swapped out in the past. Wouldn't that invalidate a huge story? (Starlin's ending?)

I saw it more as a mindgame. Remember what Jackal did to Spidey with the whole clone saga, making him doubt himself? Or to put it another way, look at how powerful Sentry is, and how useless he can be when he doubts himself.
Another problem with Mar-Vell being fake is wouldn't have Reed and the SHIELD people do a whole battery of tests on him to see how far along the cancer was at that point? And wouldn't have found something suspicious about Mar-Vell's blood?

Ok, based on the preview copy of HULK #2, I take back my General Ross is a Skrull theory :)

Now that I've read your post in the Hulk thread, I'm curious.

What happens that makes you so sure he isn't?

So...

He's the Red Hulk then, right?


Nope. See the Hulk #1 thread for more :)

Another problem with Mar-Vell being fake is wouldn't have Reed and the SHIELD people do a whole battery of tests on him to see how far along the cancer was at that point? And wouldn't have found something suspicious about Mar-Vell's blood?

Agreed.

I could see them messing with him as a separate plot before all this happened, but for this to work, Reed, Pym and gang would have to be complete idiots.

Sure, I suppose you could say that while at 42, a Skrull Agent (ala SHIELD) could have triggered some programming and that's why he left.. but that requires a lot of coincidences which would be poor storytelling.

And still, it'd mean the guy who dies wasn't really him.

I should dig up some of the old interviews/hype around the whole "Who's returning at the end of Civil War" to see if there might be clues there.. it was out of the blue seemingly, but he plays a huge role in S.I. theoretically.

So, why then?

Now that I've read your post in the Hulk thread, I'm curious.

What happens that makes you so sure he isn't?

Sure, it's possible, but from a storytelling perspective, it wouldn't have been as cool a reveal as I theorized.

Of all the supporting cast though, he's the most likely target. So I suppose I should have phrased the original post better :D

has there been discussion in this thread about the skrulls replacing x-men around uncanny 375? specifically wolverine but they were involved with the 12 storyline. I was really suprised that the story was recently reprinted since it sortof sucked....

Here is a preview for MA #9.

http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=231&itemid=11132

I hate to admit it, but it looks damn interesting.

Secret Invasion: Revelations #2.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/852/852785p1.html

This is going to be the cover to Secret Invasion #2:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/852/852785/secret-invasion-20080215040052786.jpg

Holy balls, check out the solicit for SI #2:

The Invasion is here!! The Marvel Universe is in shambles. The Skrull Empire's plan has birthed itself into perfection. It is hero versus hero!! Resurrections and reunions!!

Is Tony Stark a Skrull? And is that actually Captain America leading the heroes into a new era??

Finally a better shot of that.. took 'em long enough :)

Holy balls, check out the solicit for SI #2:

The Invasion is here!! The Marvel Universe is in shambles. The Skrull Empire's plan has birthed itself into perfection. It is hero versus hero!! Resurrections and reunions!!

Is Tony Stark a Skrull? And is that actually Captain America leading the heroes into a new era??

HOLY SHIT!

Uh oh.. I think the solicit clears up another one of those **** of Brevorts.. brb.

Son of a bitch.. I got PART of it right :D


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THE NEGATIVE ZONE
THE BAXTER BUILDING
KIRBY

Secret Invasion: Revelations #2.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/852/852785p1.html

This is going to be the cover to Secret Invasion #2:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/852/852785/secret-invasion-20080215040052786.jpg
The interesting thing about that piece of art is everyone's appearance. Cage is in his old escape artist costume, Iron Man is in his classic red and gold armor, Emma Frost is in her old White Queen Hellfire Club costume, Beast looks like his old self, and the classic Vision.

This would lead me to believe that there's a flashback in the story. Perhaps to reveal when the Skrull infiltration started? And show when some of the heroes were replaced?

The interesting thing about that piece of art is everyone's appearance. Cage is in his old escape artist costume, Iron Man is in his classic red and gold armor, Emma Frost is in her old White Queen Hellfire Club costume, Beast looks like his old self, and the classic Vision.

This would lead me to believe that there's a flashback in the story. Perhaps to reveal when the Skrull infiltration started? And show when some of the heroes were replaced?

They seem to be emerging from some sort of high tech thing...like a spaceship, or a headquarters or something. I think the implication could be that these characters have been held prisoners all these years (in said spaceship/headquarters/etc.) and they've finally been freed.

They seem to be emerging from some sort of high tech thing...like a spaceship, or a headquarters or something. I think the implication could be that these characters have been held prisoners all these years (in said spaceship/headquarters/etc.) and they've finally been freed.
Whoa. I hope not. Because they're wearing old outfits, the implication could be they were replaced a long time ago. That could fuck up a lot of continuity. Especially Spider-Man's.

Whoa. I hope not. Because they're wearing old outfits, the implication could be they were replaced a long time ago. That could fuck up a lot of continuity. Especially Spider-Man's.

I'm not saying that is exactly the case, just that that's what I think the cover is trying to put in readers' minds. But as we all know, covers aren't always representative of the contents of a comic. It's possible that we'll see that scene in the issue itself, and all the emerging characters will turn out to be Skrulls.

I'm not saying that is exactly the case, just that that's what I think the cover is trying to put in readers' minds. But as we all know, covers aren't always representative of the contents of a comic. It's possible that we'll see that scene in the issue itself, and all the emerging characters will turn out to be Skrulls.

I'll bet you if it is representative of the inside they're Skrull soldiers brought in during SI to create confusion among the heroes as to who's been replaced and who's not.

Who can you trust?

I'll repeat what I said earlier in this thread (I think). I think these are the real heroes (minus Iron Man and Spider-Man, who are helping them) breaking out of the Skrull prison they've been kept in.

I'll repeat what I said earlier in this thread (I think). I think these are the real heroes (minus Iron Man and Spider-Man, who are helping them) breaking out of the Skrull prison they've been kept in.

That would kinda sorta fuck up consistency (continuity be damned). How're you going to explain to kids that for years they've been taught for a Skrull and that Cyclops has been making love to a pickle chin?

Although it is a good way of putting the genie back into the bottle concerning Beast's cat form.

I'll repeat what I said earlier in this thread (I think). I think these are the real heroes (minus Iron Man and Spider-Man, who are helping them) breaking out of the Skrull prison they've been kept in.
So the Hawkeye that was killed and brought back to life by Scarlet Witch was a Skrull all this time?

Assuming it is true that these are the real heroes emerging from some sort of Skrull prison after being held for years, I imagine at least some of them will turn out to be Skrull agents creating further mistrust and deceit ("Not even when we find the genuine articles can we be sure that they're the genuine articles!!!"). I think the Clint on the cover is a Skrull, as are the Spider-Man, Iron Man and Vision. The others could actually turn out to be the real heroes, which would mean that the Luke Cage that's been running around in New Avengers is Skrully.

The more I think about it, the more I hope this causes a reshuffle of the registration act. I like it, but IMO the books have really dropped the ball on it.