The Secret Invasion begins! Preview solicits for April!

SECRET INVASION #1 (of 8)
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Penciled by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Cover by GABRIELE DELL'OTTO
Variant cover by STEVE MCNIVEN

SECRET INVASION IS HERE!! Years in the making, months in the teasing...and it all STARTS HERE!!

The shape-shifting alien race known as the Skrulls has secretly infiltrated every super-powered organization on Earth with one goal...full-scale invasion! In this DOUBLE-SIZED first issue, page after page unveils reveal after reveal and shocking moment after shocking moment! Brian Bendis and Leinil Francis Yu leap off the pages of mega-hit New Avengers and deliver a story that will change the Marvel Universe forever.
THE MARVEL UNIVERSE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!!
48 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99
Blank Cover CONVENTION Variant also available!

MIGHTY AVENGERS #12
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Penciled by ALEX MALEEV
Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC

SECRET INVASION TIE-IN!

The Eisner-award-winning team of Brian Bendis and Alex Maleev (NEW AVENGERS ILLUMINATI, HALO: UPRISING) reunite to answer the question that has been on every comic fan's mind for years...WHERE THE HELL HAS NICK FURY BEEN?? Rewinding the clock to Fury's time in SECRET WAR, follow Fury as he puts together the pieces of his life and starts finding clues to a Secret Invasion that makes him TARGET NUMBER ONE. A major Skrull reveal happens in these pages!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

NEW AVENGERS #40
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Penciled by JIM CHEUNG
Cover by ALEKSI BRICLOT

SECRET INVASION TIE-IN!

Very special guest artist Jimmy Cheung returns to the pages of New Avengers for this very important tie-in issue. Spinning right off of events in NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI #1, find out exactly how the Skrull empire was able to infiltrate the Marvel Universe and who instigated the invasion and why.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

MS. MARVEL #26
Written by Brian Reed
Penciled by Adriana Melo
Cover by GREG HORN

Out–gunned and on the run! With S.H.I.E.L.D. convinced she's a Skrull impostor, Ms. Marvel must fight for her identity and her life against her very own Lightning Strike Force! But when the Strike Force has a Ms. Marvel of their own, even Carol can't be sure she's Carol anymore! SECRET INVASION: The Infiltration continues here from Brian Reed (Captain Marvel) and Adriana Melo (Witchblade).
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

INCREDIBLE HERCULES #116
Written by GREG PAK & FRED VAN LENTE
Penciled by RAFA SANDOVAL

Cover by JOHN ROMITA JR., KLAUS JANSON & DEAN WHITE
Is Hercules a Skrull? Maybe. But is he an Eternal? Ikaris and Thena certainly think so, and they may just kill Herc to prove it!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99




AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE #12
Written by DAN SLOTT & CHRISTOS GAGE
Pencils & Cover by STEVE UY
"CHANGING OF THE GUARD"

Daddy's home. IRON MAN comes to Camp Hammond, and he's NOT happy.

The first year of the Initiative comes to a dramatic close as members are laid to rest, drummed out, declared AWOL, or...awarded their full Hero's License. See who graduates and find out what super-teams they'll be assigned to as the NEXT era of the Initiative begins! Plus: as a new 3-D MAN appears, the base is suddenly short one Skrull...but not how you'd think...
Also guest-starring MS. MARVEL!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

ANNIHILATION: CONQUEST #6 (of 6)
Written by DAN ABNETT & ANDY LANNING
Penciled by TOM RANEY & WELLINTON ALVES
Cover by ALEKSI BRICLOT

This is it: Marvel's rag-tag group of sci-fi heroes vs. Ultron – in a double-sized finale! The surviving warriors face-off on the battlefield, with the fate of the entire Kree Empire – and perhaps the Earth itself – at stake! Who will fall? Who will rise to become a legend? It's an extra helping of adventure, humor, drama and eye-candy that IGN.com calls "one of the best event books of the year."
48 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

SECRET INVASION: THE INFILTRATION TPB
Written by STAN LEE, BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS, BRIAN REED &
DAN SLOTT
Penciled by JACK KIRBY, JIM CHEUNG, LEINIL YU,
MARK BAGLEY, MICHAEL GAYDOS & DAVID MACK
Cover by LEINIL YU

Retrace the roots of THE INFILTRATION all the way back to the beginning of the Marvel Age of Heroes! First, in FANTASTIC FOUR #2 (1962), it's a close encounter of the Skrull kind as four shape-changing aliens pose as Mr. Fantastic, the Invisible Girl, the Thing and the Human Torch in an attempt to destroy the fledgling Fantastic Four! Then, flash-forward to the present day as the SECRET INVASION stands revealed in the pages of NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI, NEW AVENGERS, MIGHTY AVENGERS and AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE. Conspiracy. Paranoia. Betrayal. Who do you trust?

Collecting FANTASTIC FOUR #2, NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI #1 and #5, NEW AVENGERS #31-32 and #38-39, MIGHTY AVENGERS #7, and AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE ANNUAL #1.
232 PGS./Rated T+ …$19.99
ISBN: 978-0-7851-3231-8

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Where the hell are these solicits coming from? I can't find them anywhere :[

They're from IGN.

Where the hell are these solicits coming from? I can't find them anywhere :[


go to the sticky thread at the top of the page.

I put a link there... its the most recent post.

go to the sticky thread at the top of the page.

I put a link there... its the most recent post.

Thanks guys.

Dude, the Infiltration Prologue is an excellent collection! I'm totally ordering that!

Dude, the Infiltration Prologue is an excellent collection! I'm totally ordering that!

If I didn't have most of those tie-ins I'd get it too. What I'm more interested in is why someone would think Herc is a Skrull, no Skrull can drink a person under the table like him.

And maybe the Eternals will play a part too? That would be cool.

Dude, the Infiltration Prologue is an excellent collection! I'm totally ordering that!

edited for stupidity

and its free

Wait what's the Infiltration prologue about?

Wait what's the Infiltration prologue about?

oops my bad, that one is 20 i was thinking of the other free book

I like that they're putting in a FF story from way back. That's kind of cool.


If I was them, I'd throw in some Kree-Skrull War stuff, too.

I like that they're putting in a FF story from way back. That's kind of cool.


If I was them, I'd throw in some Kree-Skrull War stuff, too.

I believe they are releasing a new tpb of the Kree Skrull war, I think Bendis said that somewhere.

I like that they're putting in a FF story from way back. That's kind of cool.


If I was them, I'd throw in some Kree-Skrull War stuff, too.

I think it might be cause they don't want to throw the spotlight away from the new edition the Kree-Skrull war is getting. And Tom Breevort and Bendis said that the KSW is getting a TPB.

I'm still hoping to see The Skrull Kill Krew somewhere in Secret Invasion.

Perhaps, dead in a background somewhere? (Hey, it "worked" for Alpha Flight :nonono2: )

Doesn't the Hand operate out of Madripoor? If that is the case, Maria Hill was right in the middle of the Skrulls taking over through Elektra. Something to think about.

That's Hydra actually and Iron Man and S.H.I.E.L.D. recently overthrew Madame Hydra and instituted a regime change in Madripoor in the recent Iron Man Annual.

I'm still hoping to see The Skrull Kill Krew somewhere in Secret Invasion.

Perhaps, dead in a background somewhere? (Hey, it "worked" for Alpha Flight :nonono2: )

3-D Man and the Kill Krew better be there somewhere in SI. Considering their main goal in life is to kick Skrull ass :\. And like I said before I think Crusader is going to be missing a head and a ring finger.

3-D Man and the Kill Krew better be there somewhere in SI. Considering their main goal in life is to kick Skrull ass :\. And like I said before I think Crusader is going to be missing a head and a ring finger.

You want 3-D Man then..

you need to read Avengers Initiative.

Its on the way.

I want mentions about Wolverine and Alicia Masters getting swapped out.

Is Lyja still around somewhere? Didn't she give birth to a bomb or weapon of some sort? Its been a while since I read those FF comics.

You want 3-D Man then..

you need to read Avengers Initiative.

Its on the way.

I want mentions about Wolverine and Alicia Masters getting swapped out.

Is Lyja still around somewhere? Didn't she give birth to a bomb or weapon of some sort? Its been a while since I read those FF comics.

I know 3-D Man is in Avengers: Initiative I just hope that Secret Invasion acknowledges that he's the rootin tootinist Skrull ass-kicker around. And yes I know those aren't words:no:.

And Lyja is still alive she turned into a human woman and left Johnny or something like that.

If we're to believe Bendis then every bit of that post is going to be acknowledged or referred to.

You want 3-D Man then..

you need to read Avengers Initiative.

Its on the way.

I want mentions about Wolverine and Alicia Masters getting swapped out.

Is Lyja still around somewhere? Didn't she give birth to a bomb or weapon of some sort? Its been a while since I read those FF comics.

Lyja hasn't been seen since just before Heroes Reborn i believe. She's still out there in limbo waiting to be used any second.

Something weird. The solicit to Mighty Avengers #12 says it's going to focus on where Nick Fury has been all this time, and his return. But supposedly, that's what New Avengers #42-43 were going to be about. Also, Alex Maleev was announced as the artist for those issues, but now it says in the solicit to Mighty #12 that he's going to be penciling that. Apparently some stuff got moved around between books.

Lyja hasn't been seen since just before Heroes Reborn i believe. She's still out there in limbo waiting to be used any second.

Do you think that there will be a part of the story that deals with "good" Skrulls who like living among the humans as equals? I mean..

What in the world is going on in She Hulk right now?

What about other alien beings on Earth? Will they get thrown under the bus during the general panic? Will the public get wind of it? When the public knew about shape changing aliens at the end of Kree Skrull War and in Waid's Captain America v3 (in the Cap To Serve and Protect tpb which is still in print now) they flipped all the way out and lives were lost.

Honestly for the Skrulls to reveal themselves like they did in Illuminati #5, they really must think they have the game just about wrapped up and just need for the heroes to do the rest of the work for them by freaking out.

Something weird. The solicit to Mighty Avengers #12 says it's going to focus on where Nick Fury has been all this time, and his return. But supposedly, that's what New Avengers #42-43 were going to be about. Also, Alex Maleev was announced as the artist for those issues, but now it says in the solicit to Mighty #12 that he's going to be penciling that. Apparently some stuff got moved around between books.

Maybe its a big story or maybe the real content can't be given away in the solicits and interviews...who knows.

Maybe its a big story or maybe the real content can't be given away in the solicits and interviews...who knows.

Maybe they just want the Nick Fury thing to happen at the same time the first issue of Secret Invasion comes out. Maybe that's why if we're to believe the solicits they switched the comics.

Well, who's a good Skrull?

Lyja, Hulkling and in some circles The Super Skrull (Although certainly not on Earth)

I haven't been reading She-Hulk since Dan Slott's finale (I'm trade waiting for Peter Davids first arc) As for that last point, i'd say the Skrulls are definitely counting on general panic among both the heroes and the populace to muddy the waters.

Well, who's a good Skrull?

Lyja, Hulkling and in some circles The Super Skrull (Although certainly not on Earth)

I haven't been reading She-Hulk since Dan Slott's finale (I'm trade waiting for Peter Davids first arc) As for that last point, i'd say the Skrulls are definitely counting on general panic among both the heroes and the populace to muddy the waters.

See Ms Marvel issue #25 and #26 for example If the public does get ahold of this info what will they do? That's what I'm wondering. And when are the Illuminati going to try to find out what the hell happened to Black Bolt? That's just something that's been stewing since November.

Well, who's a good Skrull?

Lyja, Hulkling and in some circles The Super Skrull (Although certainly not on Earth)

I haven't been reading She-Hulk since Dan Slott's finale (I'm trade waiting for Peter Davids first arc) As for that last point, i'd say the Skrulls are definitely counting on general panic among both the heroes and the populace to muddy the waters.

You might at least want to flip through a She Hulk just to see what the new status quo is considering what we're talking about here.

As far as good Skrulls, I guess what I was getting at was the idea of deep infiltrators that like their lives and like humans. Will any come forward and try to help for some kind of consideration?

What Marvel super heroes will have trouble proving that they are who they say they are? What heroes have alien origins and are active on Earth?

You might at least want to flip through a She Hulk just to see what the new status quo is considering what we're talking about here.

As far as good Skrulls, I guess what I was getting at was the idea of deep infiltrators that like their lives and like humans. Will any come forward and try to help for some kind of consideration?

What Marvel super heroes will have trouble proving that they are who they say they are? What heroes have alien origins and are active on Earth?

There's Captain Marvel, Hulkling, Moonstone, and Sleepwalker?

I haven't actually read Captain Marvel since I'm kinda trying to cut back so how exactly does it tie to Secret Invasion if I may ask?

See Ms Marvel issue #25 and #26 for example If the public does get ahold of this info what will they do? That's what I'm wondering. And when are the Illuminati going to try to find out what the hell happened to Black Bolt? That's just something that's been stewing since November.

Bah!

I'm not sold on that reveal at all.

Give me David Hine's Inhuman trilogy finale instead.

I'll retract my distaste if Bendis deals with the Maximus situation but i highly doubt it :(

Bah!

I'm not sold on that reveal at all.

Give me David Hine's Inhuman trilogy finale instead.

I'll retract my distaste if Bendis deals with the Maximus situation but i highly doubt it :(

Considering that Bendis is going to supposedly track how these Skrulls got where they've got he's going to have to show their timelines and when they got replaced and what they've been doing up the present day.

So we're more then likely going to get shown what happened after Silent War. And there was an Inhuman trilogy?

There's Captain Marvel, Hulkling, Moonstone, and Sleepwalker?

I haven't actually read Captain Marvel since I'm kinda trying to cut back so how exactly does it tie to Secret Invasion if I may ask?

It hasn't yet. (Although it will shortly according to solicits)

I like the book enough but the return of Captain Marvel feels like they're making it up as they go along. (Unless you feel they really planned to bring him back to act as a warden of the Negative Zone prison only to abandon it...an issue/8 months later.

Plus this Church of Captain Marvel angle feels forced and unnecessary. But that's just me. Lee Weeks art is gorgeous though.

Considering that Bendis is going to supposedly track how these Skrulls got where they've got he's going to have to show their timelines and when they got replaced and what they've been doing up the present day.

So we're more then likely going to get shown what happened after Silent War. And there was an Inhuman trilogy?

Sort of.

Son Of M
Silent War
and
????

Sure, they involve other characters from BIG (Quicksilver) to small (The Fantastic Four) but they're at their heart Inhuman stories. The Silent War mini-series in particular. They've been 2 of my favorite minis of the last 2 years and a possible 3rd is something i'm hoping for every solicitation day.

There's Captain Marvel, Hulkling, Moonstone, and Sleepwalker?

I haven't actually read Captain Marvel since I'm kinda trying to cut back so how exactly does it tie to Secret Invasion if I may ask?

If you can afford to squeeze Capt. Marvel in then you should.

Well there was a villain active that shouldn't be according to a high profile Marvel storyline. And Mar-vell doesn't have cosmic awareness but he has been having visions possibly of the future which seem to plug into an invasion on Earth.

And the mini doesn't even get the SI:I label until towards the end of it. Mar-vell is no friend of the Skrulls.

If you can afford to squeeze Capt. Marvel in then you should.

Well there was a villain active that shouldn't be according to a high profile Marvel storyline. And Mar-vell doesn't have cosmic awareness but he has been having visions possibly of the future which seem to plug into an invasion on Earth.

And the mini doesn't even get the SI:I label until towards the end of it. Mar-vell is no friend of the Skrulls.

Didn't Reed say that if Mar-Vell dies the timeline will collapse or something? The Skrulls will want him dead, since he got together with their princess and screwed up their attempts to destroy the Kree.

If Mar dies...hell, I think the entire universe would implode. He's here from the past, and he has to go back to the past at some point, so. I reckon if anything, the Skrulls (and everyone in the universe, really) would want to keep him alive.

If Mar dies...hell, I think the entire universe would implode. He's here from the past, and he has to go back to the past at some point, so. I reckon if anything, the Skrulls (and everyone in the universe, really) would want to keep him alive.

No it would just cause an alternate universe where Apocalypse rules the earth and Mr Sinister screws with genetic codes while wearing suits of armor. Oh wait they've already done that.

But seriously. If Mar-Vell was killed then it would result in a better future for the Skrulls. Since don't forget if something different unfolds in the Marvel Universe it just turns into an alternate future.

This Captain Marvel time paradox clearly contradicts Mark Gruenwald's time travel rules!

:nerd:

This Captain Marvel time paradox clearly contradicts Mark Gruenwald's time travel rules!

:nerd:

Which would be? Is it the thing where if you change an alternate future it just results in the alternate future becoming another universe?

No it would just cause an alternate universe where Apocalypse rules the earth and Mr Sinister screws with genetic codes while wearing suits of armor. Oh wait they've already done that.

But seriously. If Mar-Vell was killed then it would result in a better future for the Skrulls. Since don't forget if something different unfolds in the Marvel Universe it just turns into an alternate future.

It's different this time, though, because Mar didn't come from the future. He's here from the past, which is a little different from the typical time travel stuff you usually see in comics.

And, one more thing I always feel the need to point out, is that Mar didn't travel to the present in the timeline of the Marvel Universe. He traveled through the timeline of the Negative Zone and then stepped into the real world. That's makes things weirder still, because the Negative Zone's time isn't bound to Marvel Universe time.

If Mar dies...hell, I think the entire universe would implode. He's here from the past, and he has to go back to the past at some point, so. I reckon if anything, the Skrulls (and everyone in the universe, really) would want to keep him alive.
Not necessarily. This Marv is from the time period between the final issue of his last series and before he was diagnosed with cancer in Death of Captain Marvel. So he was essentially in "limbo" in that time period and wasn't doing much.

So unless he saved the world in some undocumented story in that time, then him dying now wouldn't make that much of a significant impact.

Not necessarily. This Marv is from the time period between the final issue of his last series and before he was diagnosed with cancer in Death of Captain Marvel. So he was essentially in "limbo" in that time period and wasn't doing much.

So unless he saved the world in some undocumented story in that time, then him dying now wouldn't make that much of a significant impact.

His dying now would change things by making it not 'Captain Marvel died' but rather 'Captain Marvel disappeared', thus changing things. Butterfly Effect, etc.

It's different this time, though, because Mar didn't come from the future. He's here from the past, which is a little different from the typical time travel stuff you usually see in comics.

And, one more thing I always feel the need to point out, is that Mar didn't travel to the present in the timeline of the Marvel Universe. He traveled through the timeline of the Negative Zone and then stepped into the real world. That's makes things weirder still, because the Negative Zone's time isn't bound to Marvel Universe time.
In Age of Apocalypse Legion killed Professor X thus creating the alternate timeline. If Captain Marvel is killed different timeline. What's the difference if he's pulled from the Negative Zone's timeline? If Mar-Vell was killed he would never return from the Negative Zone and insert the butterfly effect, just as Zombiespeedball said.

If Mar dies...hell, I think the entire universe would implode. He's here from the past, and he has to go back to the past at some point, so. I reckon if anything, the Skrulls (and everyone in the universe, really) would want to keep him alive.

or if he does die, they could clone 'im and send the clone back to when Captain Marvel was supposed to be.
...hell, he's been infected with the super-cancer, right?
why don't the nerds of the MU try to, y'know, stop it?

His dying now would change things by making it not 'Captain Marvel died' but rather 'Captain Marvel disappeared', thus changing things. Butterfly Effect, etc.
Yes, but after he was brought forward into the present in Civil War: The Return, Reed Richards, Tony Stark and everyone else remembered him and remembered how he died, and they told him.

Keeping in mind that Marv was not brought into the present by the normal time-travel method, so the old Marvel Universe rules about time-travel might not apply in the case.

In Age of Apocalypse Legion killed Professor X thus creating the alternate timeline. If Captain Marvel is killed different timeline. What's the difference if he's pulled from the Negative Zone's timeline? If Mar-Vell was killed he would never return from the Negative Zone and insert the butterfly effect, just as Zombiespeedball said.

The difference is, like Foolish Mortal said, he traveled through some slightly unusual methods. Which, as has been said, could maybe lead to the usual rules not applying.

The difference is, like Foolish Mortal said, he traveled through some slightly unusual methods. Which, as has been said, could maybe lead to the usual rules not applying.

I'm still confused. What was the method they used to pull Mar-Vell out of time and how did it happen to be the Negative Zone? Part of me wishes that Marv would talk in his Jim Starlin dialogue but there are problems inherent in that.

I'm still confused. What was the method they used to pull Mar-Vell out of time and how did it happen to be the Negative Zone? Part of me wishes that Marv would talk in his Jim Starlin dialogue but there are problems inherent in that.
Reed and gang had installed a giant gateway between the normal universe and the Negative Zone. It was put in to transfer prisoners to the Negative Zone prison.

Meanwhile back in the past, Marv was chillin' in Negative Zone meditating.

Now the laws of physics are weird in the Negative Zone, and time there doesn't quite flow the same way as it does in the normal universe. And having the gateway open constantly created some weird anomaly that Marv noticed. When he approached the anomaly, he got swept up into it and ended up in the gateway room in the present time.

Reed and gang had installed a giant gateway between the normal universe and the Negative Zone. It was put in to transfer prisoners to the Negative Zone prison.

Meanwhile back in the past, Marv was chillin' in Negative Zone meditating.

Now the laws of physics are weird in the Negative Zone, and time there doesn't quite flow the same way as it does in the normal universe. And having the gateway open constantly created some weird anomaly that Marv noticed. When he approached the anomaly, he got swept up into it and ended up in the gateway room in the present time.

And updated his vocabulary? Why haven't they bothered to try sending him back?

And updated his vocabulary? Why haven't they bothered to try sending him back?
Did they "update" his vocabulary? Remember that Marvel continuity is only about 12 to 15 years long. So Marv died roughly about 6 or 7 years ago in "Marvel time". Did people talk differently 7 years ago?

They want to send him back, but I think they're trying to find a way to do it without creating a weird time paradox.

Did they "update" his vocabulary? Remember that Marvel continuity is only about 12 to 15 years long. So Marv died roughly about 6 or 7 years ago in "Marvel time". Did people talk differently 7 years ago?

Seven years ago people didn't say 'bling bling' as much.

Did they "update" his vocabulary? Remember that Marvel continuity is only about 12 to 15 years long. So Marv died roughly about 6 or 7 years ago in "Marvel time". Did people talk differently 7 years ago?

They want to send him back, but I think they're trying to find a way to do it without creating a weird time paradox.

They're already doing that by unveiling him to the world and putting him in charge of the Negative Zone prison. For that matter why'd they put him in charge? Was it because he's so experienced with the N-Zone?

They're already doing that by unveiling him to the world and putting him in charge of the Negative Zone prison. For that matter why'd they put him in charge? Was it because he's so experienced with the N-Zone?

originally it's cuz they needed him to stay outta public eye.
he died.
people know that.
to reveal that he traveled forward in time would prolly be really wierd to explain to teh public.
also, they had the whole clor debacle, and prolly wanted any mention of cloning being accused on their part any more.

They're already doing that by unveiling him to the world and putting him in charge of the Negative Zone prison. For that matter why'd they put him in charge? Was it because he's so experienced with the N-Zone?

You don't create a time paradox by showing people in the present something from the past.

They're already doing that by unveiling him to the world and putting him in charge of the Negative Zone prison. For that matter why'd they put him in charge? Was it because he's so experienced with the N-Zone?
It was Marv's decision to reveal himself. Tony and Reed thought it would be a good idea to keep Marv out of sight, so that's why they gave him the warden job in the Negative Zone.

I think Marv just got sick and tired of hiding.

You don't create a time paradox by showing people in the present something from the past.

My fault there I forgot. :\ Was the time period before his death the one where he and Rick Jones switched places with the Nega-Bands? And if so wouldn't that screw up the way the Nega-Bands work?

My fault there I forgot. :\ Was the time period before his death the one where he and Rick Jones switched places with the Nega-Bands? And if so wouldn't that screw up the way the Nega-Bands work?

uh, I think he died after they stopped switching places...

My fault there I forgot. :\ Was the time period before his death the one where he and Rick Jones switched places with the Nega-Bands? And if so wouldn't that screw up the way the Nega-Bands work?
Towards the end of Mar-Vell's original series, Marv was assisting the Avengers against the Super-Adaptoid. The Adaptoid absorbed Marv's powers and generated its own pair of Nega-Bands. When Mar-Vell struck his bands and the Adaptoid's together, it resulted in the Adaptoid being exiled to the Negative Zone, while Rick was finally set free from the Negative Zone permanently. And thus he and Marv were finally separated.

So what role do you think Herc and the Eternals are gonna play in Secret Invasion? Judging from the solicitations some people think Herc is a Skrull (doubt it) and another Ikaris and Thena think Herc's an eternal (Really doubt it). But other then that are the Eternals in general going to play a part in the general background of Secret Invasion since the Eternals sort of consider themselves the guardians of humanity when the shit hits the fan? And thanks for explaining the thing with Mar-Vell.

Very cool

So what role do you think Herc and the Eternals are gonna play in Secret Invasion? Judging from the solicitations some people think Herc is a Skrull (doubt it) and another Ikaris and Thena think Herc's an eternal (Really doubt it). But other then that are the Eternals in general going to play a part in the general background of Secret Invasion since the Eternals sort of consider themselves the guardians of humanity when the shit hits the fan? And thanks for explaining the thing with Mar-Vell.
It often seems like what the Earth Eternals will do depends on who's writing them. Often they seem reluctant to get involved with human affairs, but then there was the time that Ikaris decided that they should get more involved with human affairs and took on "superhero" names.

In this case with an alien invasion, they would most likely get involved. But whether or not they get used is up to the writers. They haven't been big players in Marvel events in the past, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

As I recall there's an Eternals miniseries coming up, written by the Knaufs. Maybe it could tie into Secret Invasion (as everything else almost certainly will).

If Mar dies...hell, I think the entire universe would implode. He's here from the past, and he has to go back to the past at some point, so. I reckon if anything, the Skrulls (and everyone in the universe, really) would want to keep him alive.

That's part of it. Mar-vell knows how he died, knows he already has the cancer that will kill him, and instead of laying down, he's trying to be super-proactive and will be putting himself in harm's way to go out like a fighter. And there's not much anyone can do to stop him other than talk. And once he knows how deep in the Skrulls are, I really think he'll pour it on and put himself (and unknowingly, time) at risk.

They're already doing that by unveiling him to the world and putting him in charge of the Negative Zone prison. For that matter why'd they put him in charge? Was it because he's so experienced with the N-Zone?

Mar-vell is off the SHIELD/ INITIATIVE/ Iron Man grid in his mini. He just takes off and is trying to make a difference his own way. He finally comes back in to talk but he and Iron Man are ambushed by

Kree Warriors (assuming they are who they say). They make mention of how they're not able to communicate with the Kree Galaxy. Remember, Iron Man kind of gave Nova the brush off concerning the Annihilation in favor of him registering or not and Nova is off Earth now. So Iron Man doesn't have much intel on what is going on off Earth..

You should check this out if you can.

I'm slightly disappointed no one has used Joss Whedon's S.W.O.R.D.

I know Brian plans to pick up on that thread in Secret Invasion, but it seemed like it would fit in perfectly to Captain Marvel at the moment.

Ah well.

I'm slightly disappointed no one has used Joss Whedon's S.W.O.R.D.

I know Brian plans to pick up on that thread in Secret Invasion, but it seemed like it would fit in perfectly to Captain Marvel at the moment.

Ah well.
Possibly the end of Whedon/Casseday's Astonishing run will have a new status quo for S.W.O.R.D.? But I don't even know where that title fits into continuity anymore considering the solicits say one of the X-Men won't be returning to Earth but so far we've seen:

Cyke, Emma, Logan, Colossus, Kitty, and Armor in Messiah Complex so far. The only one that may not make it is Lockheed, but that's a bit of a cop out

As for SI, does everyone now agree that Lindy Reynolds is a skrull? She's dead, then she's not. Twice. She wants Tony to power down Sentry. Etc. She's smelling fishier than a flounder in the sun

As for SI, does everyone now agree that Lindy Reynolds is a skrull? She's dead, then she's not. Twice. She wants Tony to power down Sentry. Etc. She's smelling fishier than a flounder in the sun

I'm with you.

As for SI, does everyone now agree that Lindy Reynolds is a skrull? She's dead, then she's not. Twice. She wants Tony to power down Sentry. Etc. She's smelling fishier than a flounder in the sun

Hard to say really.

On one hand, he doesn't have much of a supporting cast at all. No consistent bad guys, etc. If they want him to catch on, they need a hook.

On the other hand, how many deaths is this now? Is it a Wanda situation where he keeps her alive, or is it a Skrull situation where they're constantly replacing her? With his mental status, it's hard to say.

As much as I'd like to say she is, with it being so blatant, I'm leaning towards not.

Also, as gruesome as it sounds, they can verify if people are Skrulls or not, by killing them. If they revert, they're Skrulls, if not, Sentry can bring them back from the dead.

Of course, having that power would ruin the character for some.

Bendis specifically said to keep an eye out for resurrections and things like that, but not necessarily all of those will be Skrulls.

Hard to say really.

On one hand, he doesn't have much of a supporting cast at all. No consistent bad guys, etc. If they want him to catch on, they need a hook.

On the other hand, how many deaths is this now? Is it a Wanda situation where he keeps her alive, or is it a Skrull situation where they're constantly replacing her? With his mental status, it's hard to say.

As much as I'd like to say she is, with it being so blatant, I'm leaning towards not.

Also, as gruesome as it sounds, they can verify if people are Skrulls or not, by killing them. If they revert, they're Skrulls, if not, Sentry can bring them back from the dead.

Of course, having that power would ruin the character for some.

Bendis specifically said to keep an eye out for resurrections and things like that, but not necessarily all of those will be Skrulls.

I still believe that she is his Skrull "handler" and everything that has happened to him from the first arc of NA forward has been part of a Skrull plot to get him on their side (unknowingly, thanks to his handler), or (failing that) have his power threat eliminated.

Hard to say really.

On one hand, he doesn't have much of a supporting cast at all. No consistent bad guys, etc. If they want him to catch on, they need a hook.

On the other hand, how many deaths is this now? Is it a Wanda situation where he keeps her alive, or is it a Skrull situation where they're constantly replacing her? With his mental status, it's hard to say.

As much as I'd like to say she is, with it being so blatant, I'm leaning towards not.

Also, as gruesome as it sounds, they can verify if people are Skrulls or not, by killing them. If they revert, they're Skrulls, if not, Sentry can bring them back from the dead.

Of course, having that power would ruin the character for some.

Bendis specifically said to keep an eye out for resurrections and things like that, but not necessarily all of those will be Skrulls.
Ultron killed Lindy and The Sentry brought her back to life.

You could say: "Ultron killed a Skrull masquerading as Lindy." But her body did not revert to a Skrull after she died. And note that Sentry wasn't anywhere around when Ultron killed her, so you can't use the "Sentry is crazy and seeing things" argument either.

And also her being a Skrull doesn't explain where the blood disappeared to, or how their apartment was restored to normal after Sentry and Ultron trashing it.

The Sentry's powers are psionic, so bringing people back to life, rearranging matter are within the scope of psionic powers.

Also, how did she die?

And if Sentry can make the entire world forget him, he doesn't necessarily have to be there for any of this stuff.

But yeah, it seems too obvious to be a Skrull. Kinda like that Ms. Marvel cover.

Ultron killed Lindy and The Sentry brought her back to life.

You could say: "Ultron killed a Skrull masquerading as Lindy." But her body did not revert to a Skrull after she died. And note that Sentry wasn't anywhere around when Ultron killed her, so you can't use the "Sentry is crazy and seeing things" argument either.

And also her being a Skrull doesn't explain where the blood disappeared to, or how their apartment was restored to normal after Sentry and Ultron trashing it.

The Sentry's powers are psionic, so bringing people back to life, rearranging matter are within the scope of psionic powers.

yeah, but a large portion of Sentry's psionic powers are used to keep him togethar. without 'em he'd burn up like absorbing man did in Civil War: the return

Also, how did she die?
Given the amount of blood in the bedroom. I would assume Ultron ripped her guts out.

And if Sentry can make the entire world forget him, he doesn't necessarily have to be there for any of this stuff.
Yes, but then that would mean Ultron and the reader were "seeing the illusion" now. That's kinda cheap. I don't think Bendis would go there.

And note that it plainly says in the last recap page that Lindy died and Sentry brought her back to life. There's no language that infers anything not on the up and up occurred.

yeah, but a large portion of Sentry's psionic powers are used to keep him togethar. without 'em he'd burn up like absorbing man did in Civil War: the return
Robert himself has no clue about the full range of his powers.

Given the amount of blood in the bedroom. I would assume Ultron ripped her guts out.

That's what I was looking for. If it was a broken neck or stabbing, a Skrull could shift organs, etc.

Yes, but then that would mean Ultron and the reader were "seeing the illusion" now. That's kinda cheap. I don't think Bendis would go there.

Very true.

And note that it plainly says in the last recap page that Lindy died and Sentry brought her back to life. There's no language that infers anything not on the up and up occurred.

Which is one reason why I think she's not a Skrull.

Robert himself has no clue about the full range of his powers.

True. I just wish they'd figure out what they want to do with him and stick to it :D I loved the first mini, but the 2nd just ruined it for me. I liked the first appearance in N.A. with the beard and in jail, but once Emma did the whole comic book thing, I wasn't as hyped. Sentry during WWH? Great. Sentry during Ultron? Meh.

I'm slightly disappointed no one has used Joss Whedon's S.W.O.R.D.

I know Brian plans to pick up on that thread in Secret Invasion, but it seemed like it would fit in perfectly to Captain Marvel at the moment.

Ah well.

They will pick up on it.

As I recall there's an Eternals miniseries coming up, written by the Knaufs. Maybe it could tie into Secret Invasion (as everything else almost certainly will).

I thought that Eternals series was an ongoing? I think maybe Newsarama said that? And also don't forget there's the Sentry's comic book in New Avengers. Before everyone forgot about him do you think maybe he stopped a Skrull invasion on earth? From the comic it looked like it was a big one.

True. I just wish they'd figure out what they want to do with him and stick to it :D I loved the first mini, but the 2nd just ruined it for me. I liked the first appearance in N.A. with the beard and in jail, but once Emma did the whole comic book thing, I wasn't as hyped. Sentry during WWH? Great. Sentry during Ultron? Meh.
I've enjoyed most of the Sentry stuff up to now. I'm still not sure if Bendis has grasped Robert's character quite right though.

The thing is, they can't really nail down what Sentry can really do, they have to keep Robert somewhat clueless otherwise people will keep asking why the Sentry doesn't just swoop down and kick everybody's ass in every story. If Sentry had a full understanding of his powers, he could have demolished the Hulk on one page.

I still believe that she is his Skrull "handler" and everything that has happened to him from the first arc of NA forward has been part of a Skrull plot to get him on their side (unknowingly, thanks to his handler), or (failing that) have his power threat eliminated.

Just as a reminder, Matt Murdock is sent to the Raft to talk with Robert as a favor to Reed Richards (who he must have spoken to directly because he was told that the Sentry might be the most powerful hero on the planet). Matt explains that Sentry is in there because he killed his wife, presumably he knows this from Reed too. Foggy reiterates that they know Sentry put himself into custody and they're there to figure out what happened to his wife. Later Sentry is no longer in custody and is relocated. He's frantic because he used his powers to help during the riot and that means the Void will come. Lindy is with SHIELD as is Paul Jenkins, but Sentry doesn't believe it because he saw "him" (Void?) kill her and described it. Back with the Illuminati meeting, and this is important, Reed Richards doesn't know the Sentry or Robert Reynolds and hadn't talked to Matt Murdock in months. Xavier thinks someone has tampered with Reed's mind. Later, Reed is the only one to inquire about whats up with SHIELD and what happened in the Savage Land. And Iron Man chooses not to say.

Anyways, the Sentry himself has got to be key piece of this puzzle. I just can't get it worked out.

Also, in the Illuminati meeting Iron Man picks a bug off his helmet. McNiven illustrates the same type of bug on the Sentry's body when SHIELD and Lindy arrive. I asked about this back when the issue was new and both bug instances were apparently scripted. Meaningless then, but now it does have implications of Skrulls being present during these events.

Just as a reminder, Matt Murdock is sent to the Raft to talk with Robert as a favor to Reed Richards (who he must have spoken to directly because he was told that the Sentry might be the most powerful hero on the planet). Matt explains that Sentry is in there because he killed his wife, presumably he knows this from Reed too. Foggy reiterates that they know Sentry put himself into custody and they're there to figure out what happened to his wife. Later Sentry is no longer in custody and is relocated. He's frantic because he used his powers to help during the riot and that means the Void will come. Lindy is with SHIELD as is Paul Jenkins, but Sentry doesn't believe it because he saw "him" (Void?) kill her and described it. Back with the Illuminati meeting, and this is important, Reed Richards doesn't know the Sentry or Robert Reynolds and hadn't talked to Matt Murdock in months. Xavier thinks someone has tampered with Reed's mind. Later, Reed is the only one to inquire about whats up with SHIELD and what happened in the Savage Land. And Iron Man chooses not to say.

Anyways, the Sentry himself has got to be key piece of this puzzle. I just can't get it worked out.

Also, in the Illuminati meeting Iron Man picks a bug off his helmet. McNiven illustrates the same type of bug on the Sentry's body when SHIELD and Lindy arrive. I asked about this back when the issue was new and both bug instances were apparently scripted. Meaningless then, but now it does have implications of Skrulls being present during these events.

Wow JR, you're my freakin hero. I didn't even notice half of this stuff and I've read those issues multiple times.

I do definitely think that the Sentry is a major key to this puzzle but similarly can't figure out how he fits. My main thought in this regard is that Sentry has basically been (amonst others) the main catalyst for many of the Avengers arcs since NA started. He was the reason for the breakout in my opinion. The whole sauron thing was just a red herring.

Then we have the next arc which is focused on him and introduces the Illuminati. There's also that weird ending to the collective arc where he has a weird reaction to the face when he throws the energy signature into the sun.

There's got to be one unifying factor to all of this and I can't figure it out. I do have to say that one of the reasons I've heard people don't like the Sentry is that they feel they were force fed him. However, I think we'll come to find out he plays a MAJOR part in all of this. And I am, as a huge Sentry fan, very excited!

Wow JR, you're my freakin hero. I didn't even notice half of this stuff and I've read those issues multiple times.

I do definitely think that the Sentry is a major key to this puzzle but similarly can't figure out how he fits. My main thought in this regard is that Sentry has basically been (amonst others) the main catalyst for many of the Avengers arcs since NA started. He was the reason for the breakout in my opinion. The whole sauron thing was just a red herring.

Then we have the next arc which is focused on him and introduces the Illuminati. There's also that weird ending to the collective arc where he has a weird reaction to the face when he throws the energy signature into the sun.

There's got to be one unifying factor to all of this and I can't figure it out. I do have to say that one of the reasons I've heard people don't like the Sentry is that they feel they were force fed him. However, I think we'll come to find out he plays a MAJOR part in all of this. And I am, as a huge Sentry fan, very excited!
I need to re-read the second Jenkins mini, but I'm almost afraid to because my grip on understanding exactly what it had to say about him is tenuous at best.

Also, in regards to the Mighty Avengers. We were told to pay attention to though ballons, right? Well did Ultron not have a type of thought ballon too? It seemed to want to identify the Sentry's energy source, even going so far as to kill Lindy to try to scan for it. Ultron was seriously multitasking through the battle, but I don't think it was able to get what it wanted from the Sentry. What was that about?

I need to re-read the second Jenkins mini, but I'm almost afraid to because my grip on understanding exactly what it had to say about him is tenuous at best.

Also, in regards to the Mighty Avengers. We were told to pay attention to though ballons, right? Well did Ultron not have a type of thought ballon too? It seemed to want to identify the Sentry's energy source, even going so far as to kill Lindy to try to scan for it. Ultron was seriously multitasking through the battle, but I don't think it was able to get what it wanted from the Sentry. What was that about?
The second Sentry miniseries firmly lays out his true origin. Its not nearly as complicated as some have tried to present it as.

Ultron was trying to identify the energy Sentry produced, but it flummoxed its system.

RE: Ultron

Ultron was Stark.. thought balloons would be weird.. is Tony brain dead during it? It is an ongoing battle?

Too much confusion, hence, they got left off.

I've liked most of the Sentry's appearances ever since his return, but there have been some disappointments. Not everywhere, but here and there. I LOVED his New Avengers arc, I think that may be the book's best arc yet. It's very tight and cohesive, and looks beautiful. I thought his appearance in The Collective and New Avengers Disassembled arcs were fine, and I loved his appearance in Iron Man.

I totally hated the way he was written in WWH. It didn't even feel like the same character. That last issue really brought that miniseries down for me, which is too bad, because I was enjoying it up until then. I get the feeling that, if Paul Jenkins ever got to write a third Sentry series, the first thing he'd do is retcon the shit out of the Sentry's appearance in that story.

I also wasn't feeling his appearance in Silent War. Way disappointing. At this point, I really think they need to cut back on the whole 'Sentry is reluctant to fight' thing. It's gotten pretty old. if they don't want to use him, they really need to come up with some other excuse.

Just as a reminder, Matt Murdock is sent to the Raft to talk with Robert as a favor to Reed Richards (who he must have spoken to directly because he was told that the Sentry might be the most powerful hero on the planet). Matt explains that Sentry is in there because he killed his wife, presumably he knows this from Reed too. Foggy reiterates that they know Sentry put himself into custody and they're there to figure out what happened to his wife. Later Sentry is no longer in custody and is relocated. He's frantic because he used his powers to help during the riot and that means the Void will come. Lindy is with SHIELD as is Paul Jenkins, but Sentry doesn't believe it because he saw "him" (Void?) kill her and described it. Back with the Illuminati meeting, and this is important, Reed Richards doesn't know the Sentry or Robert Reynolds and hadn't talked to Matt Murdock in months. Xavier thinks someone has tampered with Reed's mind. Later, Reed is the only one to inquire about whats up with SHIELD and what happened in the Savage Land. And Iron Man chooses not to say.
First off, amazing job picking up on those bugs. I never would've caught them. :)

As for Reed, I'm still on the fence about him. Was the Reed that spoke to Matt a Skrull? Was it the real Reed that had his memory wiped? I could see making an argument for either case.

Whoop, forgot to include my main point in there, which is that in my mind, it seems like of all the writers at Marvel, Bendis seems to be the one that writes the Sentry at his weakest power-wise, perhaps. I imagine he does that because he has to give the opportunity to shine to the other superhpowerful Avengers. But in any case, yeah. Given how he is writing Secret Invasion too, I think it's possible the Sentry might not play as big of a part in it as one might think at first.

First off, amazing job picking up on those bugs. I never would've caught them. :)

As for Reed, I'm still on the fence about him. Was the Reed that spoke to Matt a Skrull? Was it the real Reed that had his memory wiped? I could see making an argument for either case.

Keep in mind also, Reed gave two reasons for supporting the SHRA.

And really, Sue talking to Mad Thinker?!

Reed supported the SHRA because his probability map said things would go to shit if he didn't, right?


I am suddenly reminded of Nick Fury. Apparently, he knew that the Skrulls had invaded.

Reed supported the SHRA because his probability map said things would go to shit if he didn't, right?


I am suddenly reminded of Nick Fury. Apparently, he knew that the Skrulls had invaded.

Yeah, and because of his uncle.

Then again, writers didn't seem to be coordinating too well. JMS was convinced the Vault was this run down, dirty prison, while CW showed it as a high tech, VR paradise.

So, either JMS's editor didn't get him the note, or he could have been temporarily swapped out.

Which means, the Skrulls know about 42.

They have access to a Space Gem.

And Capt. Marvell has abandoned the prison it seems.

What's going on over at 42 these days?

JMS also wrote 42 as a high tech VR paradise. I think it was Paul Jenkins that showed it as a terrible place.

JMS also wrote 42 as a high tech VR paradise. I think it was Paul Jenkins that showed it as a terrible place.

Ack, you're right.

JMS got the Spidey fight different. My fault :)

So what does Namor's recent actions in the Order #7

wanting to turn himself in to the American government bode for his partnership with Doctor Doom? He wouldn't do this without having convened with Doom in advance, so what do they have planned and does it have anything to do with the Invasion?

Also, is that even the real Namor?

So what does Namor's recent actions in the Order #7

wanting to turn himself in to the American government bode for his partnership with Doctor Doom? He wouldn't do this without having convened with Doom in advance, so what do they have planned and does it have anything to do with the Invasion?

Also, is that even the real Namor?

Good questions.

It all depends on if Doom has been compromised or not.

If he was, Namor could be trapped and a Skrull is turning himself in, so Namor is a wanted man in case he escaped.

Also, considering Namor's actions against the Illuminati Skrull, maybe that's the Skrulls would feel is punishment/ironic.

Either way, I haven't read the issue, so I can't say much to be honest.

First off, amazing job picking up on those bugs. I never would've caught them. :)

As for Reed, I'm still on the fence about him. Was the Reed that spoke to Matt a Skrull? Was it the real Reed that had his memory wiped? I could see making an argument for either case.

I don't know how Bendis gets anything done with the way so many people comb over the material with a fine toothed comb. But he's been doing it. I can't wait for the post-Secret Invasion fully annotated New Avengers.

Good questions.

It all depends on if Doom has been compromised or not.

If he was, Namor could be trapped and a Skrull is turning himself in, so Namor is a wanted man in case he escaped.

Also, considering Namor's actions against the Illuminati Skrull, maybe that's the Skrulls would feel is punishment/ironic.

Either way, I haven't read the issue, so I can't say much to be honest.

Order #7 explains itself within the issue and is a brilliant tactical move on Namor's part and is in character. And it also elevates the Anthem character in the process. Very solid issue.

I think either the Night Nurse or the Villain Doctor guy are Skrulls.

It'd be the perfect scenario to switch out wounded Heroes and Villains.

I think either the Night Nurse or the Villain Doctor guy are Skrulls.

It'd be the perfect scenario to switch out wounded Heroes and Villains.

villain doctor guy?
you know how many villains have a doctorate or a phd?

villain doctor guy?
you know how many villains have a doctorate or a phd?

As recently revealed in Daredevil the Villains themselves have a "Night Nurse"


Also, Doctor Doom?

Doctor Doom isn't really a doctor. He just calls himself that because Reed Richards is a doctor.

Doctor Doom isn't really a doctor. He just calls himself that because Reed Richards is a doctor.

He got his PhD online at Latveria University! :mad:

He got his PhD online at Latveria University! :mad:

pffft!
I could get a doctorate from that back-water country.

As recently revealed in Daredevil the Villains themselves have a "Night Nurse"


Also, Doctor Doom?

which DD ish?

pffft!
I could get a doctorate from that back-water country.

:mad:

which DD ish?

One of the latest 2 I think.

With regards to rumors that Lindy's a Skrull;

In the Sentry arc of New Avengers, a lot of strange stuff occurs.

-The bugs, first and foremost, are all over the place. It's a popular opinion that they are somehow Skrull related (possibly Skrull agents spying on meetings/people) and they appear both on Iron Man's helmet during the Illuminati meeting and on the Sentry when he is found in a cave somewhere.

-The Sentry has, assuming the comic flashbacks are real, fought the Skrulls before

-Lindy, in this arc, wants nothing more than to be reunited with her husband. This, in my opinion, would lend itself to the idea that she's not a Skrull just yet. Otherwise, it'd be easier to vilify an already confused and weakened Sentry. This Lindy wants nothing but her husband back and she cooperates every step along the way (which is, at least as far as the characters tone goes, very different then how we found her to be in Mighty Avengers 7).

-The General, a villain who isn't really around anymore and served a very specific purpose against the Sentry (and the X-Men, once). Unlike most villains, this guy doesn't care if no one figures out if he is the one who put Sentry away. But, Sentry returns and continues to return, this time at what we can assume is his healthiest and possibly close to his most powerful. He's had the Void under control for quite some time now and fully understands where it comes from, unlike what we have been shown before. So, it could stand to reason that the General could have been a Skrull operative (or pushed by the Skrulls to do what he did). If the first issue of New Avengers is any indication, the Skrulls have potentially been farming out assignments to regular Marvel villains so as to cover their tracks.

-What does this lead us to? This may be far fetched, but what if the General, whether he's a Skrull or not, was the Skrulls first line of defense against the Sentry? If the bugs are Skrulls, we know they're watching the Sentry so what if Lindy V.2, which could have been switched sometime after Lindy "died" (could have been regular Lindy that was saved and then switched sometime later) and is now being used against the Sentry?

This could all be horribly wrong, but it's a thought I had while rereading the hardcover.

Also, it's fair to say that the villains who were thought to be dead are now presumably Skrulls? Or it was the Skrulls who were believed to be killed? Because as of right now, I can't figure out a way to reconcile that (unless we should take it at face value and believe Spider-Woman when she says the government may be stockpiling superhumans).

As far as the dead villains thing goes, I think it's one of two things: one, the Skrulls as stockpiling bad guys to build their own supervillain army which they can use to fight the heroes, or two (and perhaps more likely), they're stockpiling them in order to experiment on them like they did with the Illuminati, and create new Super-Skrulls with the villains' powers (think, for example, of a Super-Skrull with the powers of Graviton and Count Nefaria, that'd be pretty unstoppable). I imagine that could mean that the Skrulls faked the villains' deaths, including records, etc. Which shouldn't be too hard to do if they've infiltrated SHIELD.

Nice thought on Night Nurse.. she did come seemingly out of the blue from obscurity.

Sure, Bendis has his whole 70s revival thing going on, but everything seems pretty calculated.

I'd say there's good odds on her.

Consider also, the Illuminati/Beyonder issue.. Strange was in bed with two women. A scene that had many scratching their heads. Now, Strange is hooking up with Night Nurse in New Avengers. They make a specific point to say that Clea and him are apart in Illuminati as well. Three references is more than coincidence to me.

Which gives more credence to the Skrull Night Nurse theory. BB Skrull was at the meeting and would know Strange was vulnerable and that'd be their best chance at getting to him. It's been a while since I read the Beyonder/Illuminati issue but was everyone aware of the others scenarios? If so, BB Skrull would know that it seems to be foremost in his mind.

And from a puerile perspective, it'd explain why her boobs vary. Shape shifting. :)

NA Annual 2 has NN and Jessica alone, talking. Who knows what goes on when the team is out. And is NN living at the SS now? How does she keep healing heroes? She'd have an excuse to leave unexpectedly to report to the Skrulls, I suppose.

at this rate, only the power of delicious hostess snack cakes and fruit pies might be able to save the day

Could the Skrull still hold it's form even after Hulk beat the holy hell out of each of them in WW Hulk?

Consider also, the fight in the arena.

Did BB use his powers to fight? Tony was able to use his Extremis powers, Reed was using his. If BB was using his, chances are he was the genuine article. The reason being is that if it was a Skrull, he'd have been shape shifting and stuff I'd think to defend himself.

Consider also, the fight in the arena.

Did BB use his powers to fight? Tony was able to use his Extremis powers, Reed was using his. If BB was using his, chances are he was the genuine article. The reason being is that if it was a Skrull, he'd have been shape shifting and stuff I'd think to defend himself.

dude, he had a piece of alien metal over his mouth the entire fight in the arena.
he did whisper the hulk, though.
but considering what a full-blown yell shoulda done, I'm thinkin there was a skrull in the WWH thing.

Nice thought on Night Nurse.. she did come seemingly out of the blue from obscurity.

Sure, Bendis has his whole 70s revival thing going on, but everything seems pretty calculated.

I'd say there's good odds on her.

Consider also, the Illuminati/Beyonder issue.. Strange was in bed with two women. A scene that had many scratching their heads. Now, Strange is hooking up with Night Nurse in New Avengers. They make a specific point to say that Clea and him are apart in Illuminati as well. Three references is more than coincidence to me.

Which gives more credence to the Skrull Night Nurse theory. BB Skrull was at the meeting and would know Strange was vulnerable and that'd be their best chance at getting to him. It's been a while since I read the Beyonder/Illuminati issue but was everyone aware of the others scenarios? If so, BB Skrull would know that it seems to be foremost in his mind.

And from a puerile perspective, it'd explain why her boobs vary. Shape shifting. :)

NA Annual 2 has NN and Jessica alone, talking. Who knows what goes on when the team is out. And is NN living at the SS now? How does she keep healing heroes? She'd have an excuse to leave unexpectedly to report to the Skrulls, I suppose.


yknow and what better time to capture and swap out a hero for a skrull then when they are injured and going to the night nurse....

dude, he had a piece of alien metal over his mouth the entire fight in the arena.
he did whisper the hulk, though.
but considering what a full-blown yell shoulda done, I'm thinkin there was a skrull in the WWH thing.
What about the battle on the Moon where a chunk of rock the size of Rhode Island was blasted into space? That's about 1,200 square miles. I suppose the Skrulls could have used some sort of tech to duplicate Boltagon's powers like that. But it still feels like a stretch to me.

yknow and what better time to capture and swap out a hero for a skrull then when they are injured and going to the night nurse....

Yup, and you have access to their blood for analysis for replicating powers.

dude, he had a piece of alien metal over his mouth the entire fight in the arena.
he did whisper the hulk, though.
but considering what a full-blown yell shoulda done, I'm thinkin there was a skrull in the WWH thing.

Simple, shape-change enough that the mouth thing falls off.

In all that chaos, no one would know, and it's not like it's an offensive action that would be prevented by the obedience disc.

Face it, that was the genuine article.

Okay, I haven't been following any of these threads for fear of spoilers (I only read the trades), so someone may have already thought of this, but something occurred to me in the shower today that I thought would be worth bringing up...

Has anyone hypothesized that the mom from Stamford, the one who had Tony Stark's balls in the palm of her hand by the end of Civil War, might be a skrull?

Okay, I haven't been following any of these threads for fear of spoilers (I only read the trades), so someone may have already thought of this, but something occurred to me in the shower today that I thought would be worth bringing up...

Has anyone hypothesized that the mom from Stamford, the one who had Tony Stark's balls in the palm of her hand by the end of Civil War, might be a skrull?

Possibly.. I know the popular theory was that it was Mephisto since her kid was named Damien.

And with all the talk of Mephisto being the bad guy to watch out for in 2007.

Maybe it's just me, but I have a bit of a hard time thinking that if Black Bolt screamed, all it would do is rip a chunk the size of New Jersey. I always figured him screaming could cause some serious damage to the planet. Especially the moon, which is much smaller than Earth.

That all being said, the Skrulls WERE able to duplicate Black Bolt's powers with the new Super-Skrull. AND, maybe it's just me again, but I get the feeling the Super-Skrull's Black Bolt scream wasn't as powerful as the real Black Bolt scream. I mean, he seemed to scream at Namor when he was about to attack, and it knocked Namor back, but it didn't do as much damage, comparatively speaking, as one of the real Black Bolt's whispers.

Maybe it's just me, but I have a bit of a hard time thinking that if Black Bolt screamed, all it would do is rip a chunk the size of New Jersey. I always figured him screaming could cause some serious damage to the planet. Especially the moon, which is much smaller than Earth.

That all being said, the Skrulls WERE able to duplicate Black Bolt's powers with the new Super-Skrull. AND, maybe it's just me again, but I get the feeling the Super-Skrull's Black Bolt scream wasn't as powerful as the real Black Bolt scream. I mean, he seemed to scream at Namor when he was about to attack, and it knocked Namor back, but it didn't do as much damage, comparatively speaking, as one of the real Black Bolt's whispers.
Black Bolt's power doesn't just have two levels. It doesn't just go from city-destroying power to continent-destroying power. He can control it to a very fine degree.

And 1,200 square miles of rock being blasted into space ain't nothing to sneeze at either.

Black Bolt's power doesn't just have two levels. It doesn't just go from city-destroying power to continent-destroying power. He can control it to a very fine degree.

And 1,200 square miles of rock being blasted into space ain't nothing to sneeze at either.

I am saying, Black Bolt's whisper is enough to take down the Hulk. If he increments the magnitude of his voice exponentially, high enough to scream, it's only logical that the power he releases increments exponentially as well. And if a tiny little whisper is enough to put down the Hulk, the freaking Hulk, I gotta say that chunk of rock just doesn't seems big enough to me.

I am saying, Black Bolt's whisper is enough to take down the Hulk. If he increments the magnitude of his voice exponentially, high enough to scream, it's only logical that the power he releases increments exponentially as well. And if a tiny little whisper is enough to put down the Hulk, the freaking Hulk, I gotta say that chunk of rock just doesn't seems big enough to me.
His whisper was strong enough to KO the Hulk in the past, but THIS Hulk was on another level. He was madder than ever, and his healing factor was in overdrive. A whisper wasn't going to put him down. Boltagon probably hit him with something stronger, but by the time he realized he was in serious trouble, Hulk KOd him.

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His whisper was strong enough to KO the Hulk in the past, but THIS Hulk was on another level. He was madder than ever, and his healing factor was in overdrive. A whisper wasn't going to put him down. Boltagon probably hit him with something stronger, but by the time he realized he was in serious trouble, Hulk KOd him.
Of course. I don't argue that. My thing wasn't with the fact that Black Bolt didn't take down the Hulk. This new Hulk seems ridiculously powerful. My thing was with the damage he did to the surroundings. It just didn't seem like enough for a scream, in my opinion. Assuming he screamed, maybe the Hulk didn't give him time to by wailing on him.

Look! You're about to hit 25,000 posts!!! :cool:

I did! 25,000 posts! W00t! I have never wasted my time in such a wonderful, entertaining manner.

It's funny though, you know, because at the same time the Hulk becomes more powerful, Thor has apparently become more powerful too, according to what JMS has said in interviews and given how he fared against the Destroyer. It'd be cool to see the two fight again.

Of course. I don't argue that. My thing wasn't with the fact that Black Bolt didn't take down the Hulk. This new Hulk seems ridiculously powerful. My thing was with the damage he did to the surroundings. It just didn't seem like enough for a scream, in my opinion. Assuming he screamed, maybe the Hulk didn't give him time to by wailing on him.
It was probably something more akin to a "a word spoken aloud" and not a scream. Boltagon would not likely use anything more stronger than that and put Atilian in danger.

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Congratulations! :rock:

Maybe it's just me, but I have a bit of a hard time thinking that if Black Bolt screamed, all it would do is rip a chunk the size of New Jersey. I always figured him screaming could cause some serious damage to the planet. Especially the moon, which is much smaller than Earth.

That all being said, the Skrulls WERE able to duplicate Black Bolt's powers with the new Super-Skrull. AND, maybe it's just me again, but I get the feeling the Super-Skrull's Black Bolt scream wasn't as powerful as the real Black Bolt scream. I mean, he seemed to scream at Namor when he was about to attack, and it knocked Namor back, but it didn't do as much damage, comparatively speaking, as one of the real Black Bolt's whispers.

No one said he screamed.

If he did, Attilian would be destroyed.

Regardless, the Skrull Scream wasn't anywhere on the level as the Knock-part-of-the-moon-so-that-its-visibly-broken-from-Earth level :)

Of course BB couldnt have been replaced in Illuminati 1, cause of the Infinity Gem stunt they pull in #2.

Speaking of, has it ever been revealed how, exactly, the Skrulls create their sleeper units? I mean, I understand sleeper Skrulls are so deep undercover they actually think they're the people they're posing as, and telepaths apparently can't tell them apart from the genuine article (so the Black Bolt Skrull was probably a sleeper), but how do they do that, exactly? Do they have like, mind-reading devices that can take thoughts and memories from a captured superhero and place them in the mind of the Skrull that's going to be replacing them?

Not that I know of.

I kinda doubt BB was a Sleeper Skrull. The whole idea of him miming putting a gun in his mouth was kinda weird. And it's not like he was doing anything heroic recently, he invaded the US I thought?

But if they did, I'd say they probably use the Space Gem to whisk the target away to something like "42" (I think they've taken control of that prison, btw.) Plug them into the VR thing to keep them thinking they're not captured. In doing so, observing them and dumping things from the VR sessions directly into the agent's head.

There's got to be a reason Captain Marvell isn't at the prison anymore.. and Skrulls have proven they can infiltrate a prison/SHIELD/etc with The Raft among other places.

It'd also explain why the Dum Dum Skrull didn't use Stark's WWH Doomsday protocol to dump NY into the Negative Zone. If they're currently operating out of the Negative Zone (could that be what Annihilus first detected?) they'd want to keep everyone out of their business.

There's also the idea of memories being stored in the DNA somehow. And if the bug theory is true, they could be extracting memories that way possibly.

That reminds me, if they did take over "42".. what about Cloc?

Has Sentry even mentioned Cloc since the mini? If Stark could hack CLOC, I wouldn't put it past Skrulls who have a history with Sentry.

That'd be another resource in their hands that'd prove useful. Using CLOC to coordinate everyone's activities, since it was doing the same thing for Sentry essentially.

That's a good call on the bug thing.


There's a Dum Dum Skrull?

Am I the only one who thinks the Skrulls have already won and that'll be the new status quo for a bit?

That's a good call on the bug thing.


There's a Dum Dum Skrull?

Speculation based on solicits and the Brevoort Blog thing posted a while back with all the ***** **** * *** ** references.

He's someone who died and had a fishy return and in a position of power. It'd also explain why Fury didn't talk to him or put him in charge in his absence.

There's got to be a reason Captain Marvell isn't at the prison anymore..
I think Mar-Vell just got sick of hiding. It's not like they had him under strict supervision and could stop him from going where he wanted to go. With the Nega-Bands, Marv could leave anytime he wanted to.

..and Skrulls have proven they can infiltrate a prison/SHIELD/etc with The Raft among other places.
I think it's pretty much a given that there are probably Skrulls in SHIELD, CIA, and all the branches of the military and intelligence services all over the world. It's those Skrulls that will likely be the most problematic to ferret out.

It'd also explain why the Dum Dum Skrull didn't use Stark's WWH Doomsday protocol to dump NY into the Negative Zone. If they're currently operating out of the Negative Zone (could that be what Annihilus first detected?) they'd want to keep everyone out of their business.
Because its a "Doomsday" protocol. Something that you only use as an absolute last resort.

I think Mar-Vell just got sick of hiding. It's not like they had him under strict supervision and could stop him from going where he wanted to go. With the Nega-Bands, Marv could leave anytime he wanted to.


Right, I'm not saying they forced him out, but without Marvell there, who's watching things? Reed, Stark and Pym sure aren't.

SHIELD? Already corrupted.

I'm just saying that there's this big idea introduced in Civil War and it was abandoned seemingly. And I think one of the ***** answers matched up with the Negative Zone.


Because its a "Doomsday" protocol. Something that you only use as an absolute last resort.

Ditching NY isn't so bad since it wipes out most of the heroes.

The environmental changes.. perhaps. Then again, they are technologically advanced and could probably fix it somehow.

Am I the only one who thinks the Skrulls have already won and that'll be the new status quo for a bit?

Thinking about how the Illuminati Skrull chose to reveal itself the way it did, they must be confident that the invasion is firm and nearly complete. Only a few things left to do such as cause the heroes to panic and turn on one another further and do yet more of the work for them. Civil War damaged the trust and unity and the Skrull reveal thing killed it dead.

Speaking of, has it ever been revealed how, exactly, the Skrulls create their sleeper units? I mean, I understand sleeper Skrulls are so deep undercover they actually think they're the people they're posing as, and telepaths apparently can't tell them apart from the genuine article (so the Black Bolt Skrull was probably a sleeper), but how do they do that, exactly? Do they have like, mind-reading devices that can take thoughts and memories from a captured superhero and place them in the mind of the Skrull that's going to be replacing them?


I don't think they are sleeper skrulls to the point of not knowing they are skrulls. because then that makes them useless in my opinion. I think the Skrulls have mastered the technique and technology of mind Masking themselves from EVERY form of brain wave changes. I think every single Skrull on Earth reports to someone.

I don't think they are sleeper skrulls to the point of not knowing they are skrulls. because then that makes them useless in my opinion. I think the Skrulls have mastered the technique and technology of mind Masking themselves from EVERY form of brain wave changes. I think every single Skrull on Earth reports to someone.

I'll ask again, is there a Skrull boss in charge of the whole Earth operation or is it just various Skrull operatives doing their tasks? Personally, I'd like for there to be one guy overseeing the operation and he should have an amazing combination of powers. Something truly frightening.

I'll ask again, is there a Skrull boss in charge of the whole Earth operation or is it just various Skrull operatives doing their tasks? Personally, I'd like for there to be one guy overseeing the operation and he should have an amazing combination of powers. Something truly frightening.

I think it works like any other type of Bureaucratic operation. There is the Emperor Skrull who is overseeing the entire thing, then there are operations managers who manage a certain number of skrulls in certain areas. And then the individual agents who report to there bosses and so forth. It makes it easier to filter the flow of information.

I'll ask again, is there a Skrull boss in charge of the whole Earth operation or is it just various Skrull operatives doing their tasks? Personally, I'd like for there to be one guy overseeing the operation and he should have an amazing combination of powers. Something truly frightening.

I'm just really hoping for a couple issues of non-stop fighting. I have this image built up in my head of a scene similar to the beginning of the Fellowship of the Ring where a huge army of heroes and villains are facing a huge army of skrulls. Something like Secret Wars, but even bigger.

I'm a little trigger happy with how big it can get as far as crossovers. I was just getting back into comics when Civil War happened and drank the kool-aid by buying nearly every crossover (I didn't have you fuckers to lead me in the right path back then). However, I wouldn't mind a lot of crossovers if they can tell a compelling story. I don't mind spending the money, I just don't want to look back at that section of my long box a year later and gag.

I reckon there might be one 'general manager' overseeing the whole thing to keep screw-ups from happening, but in general, the Skrulls are probably operating with a more decentralized focus, in keeping with the idea that this attack is not full frontal like it's usually been in the past. The Skrulls are probably working less like a pickup truck on its way to run over a person, and more like a disease spreading inside that person's body and eating away at it from all points.

After all, the Secret Invasion was commissioned by Emperor Dorrek right after the Kree-Skrull War, and Dorrek died a long time ago, even in Marvel time. The fact that the invasion has kept going even after all the changes in leadership the Skrulls have had over the years (which are many) tells me that this attack plan is probably a little less decentralized than others have been in the past.

I reckon there might be one 'general manager' overseeing the whole thing to keep screw-ups from happening, but in general, the Skrulls are probably operating with a more decentralized focus, in keeping with the idea that this attack is not full frontal like it's usually been in the past. The Skrulls are probably working less like a pickup truck on its way to run over a person, but instead like a disease spreading inside that person's body and eating away at it from all points.

After all, the Secret Invasion was commissioned by Emperor Dorrek right after the Kree-Skrull War, and Dorrek died a long time ago, even in Marvel time. The fact that the invasion has kept going even after all the changes in leadership the Skrulls have had over the years (which are many) tells me that this attack plan is probably a little less decentralized than others have been in the past.

But did Dorrek really die?

But did Dorrek really die?Maybe the Dorrek that we saw die was really a Skrull!!!

But did Dorrek really die?

Yes. Unless that was a Skrull.


EDIT: Dammit, Ben.

I'm just really hoping for a couple issues of non-stop fighting. I have this image built up in my head of a scene similar to the beginning of the Fellowship of the Ring where a huge army of heroes and villains are facing a huge army of skrulls. Something like Secret Wars, but even bigger.

I'm a little trigger happy with how big it can get as far as crossovers. I was just getting back into comics when Civil War happened and drank the kool-aid by buying nearly every crossover (I didn't have you fuckers to lead me in the right path back then). However, I wouldn't mind a lot of crossovers if they can tell a compelling story. I don't mind spending the money, I just don't want to look back at that section of my long box a year later and gag.

Part of me doesn't want to see a big fight against the Skrulls. I want to see fighting and nobody's sure who's who because the Skrulls don't change. Unless there is a device to force the change to happen. Imagine the best and brightest in a room together and Stark shines a ray on them and 11 guys flip out, change, and start screaming in alien language. I want to see something like that. The heroes have to have a way to fight back. I also want to see people who are legit get the hammer dropped on them because they can't prove they're legit.

Yes. Unless that was a Skrull.


EDIT: Dammit, Ben.

Stop it you guys. :no:

Part of me doesn't want to see a big fight against the Skrulls. I want to see fighting and nobody's sure who's who because the Skrulls don't change. Unless there is a device to force the change to happen. Imagine the best and brightest in a room together and Stark shines a ray on them and 11 guys flip out, change, and start screaming in alien language. I want to see something like that. The heroes have to have a way to fight back. I also want to see people who are legit get the hammer dropped on them because they can't prove they're legit.

woah.
Thing flashback

woah.
Thing flashback

Now you're talking. That's one of my favorite movies (John Carpenter's The Thing) and I mentioned before that I would love for Secret Invasion to have that kind of vibe. I know Yu can do it with his style of art.

Now you're talking. That's one of my favorite movies (John Carpenter's The Thing) and I mentioned before that I would love for Secret Invasion to have that kind of vibe. I know Yu can do it with his style of art.

but would electrifying skrull blood make the skrull freak out?

I'd love to find out that they're using C.L.O.C. to help coordinate things.

The one thing I want out of this is for everyone to really, truly feel helpless. To face some seriously overwhelming odds for once. Kind of like when Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet and most of the galaxy was wiped out. For another moment like Cap standing up to Thanos.

Similarly, when Doom got the Beyonder's power and Cap kept coming at him.

Of course, with Cap dead, we may not get that. Or, we could get a scene like it but from someone else. Tony seems the likely candidate to help "redeem" him in everyone's eyes (reader and Marvel U)

But yeah, I'd imagine there's an overall goal with someone in charge, but subsequent teams have full autonomy to operate. Think of Jack Bauer and answering to the President and CTU.

Kind of like when Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet and most of the galaxy was wiped out. For another moment like Cap standing up to Thanos.




Now that was a kick ass scene. That's one thing that I've been sort of depressed about with regard to Secret Invasion...No Steve. Steve would know what to do.

Now that was a kick ass scene. That's one thing that I've been sort of depressed about with regard to Secret Invasion...No Steve. Steve would know what to do.

That's kind of what makes it cool, though. I mean, evidently, if Steve or Nick Fury were running the show, things wouldn't be as fucked up as they are (Madame Hydra has hinted that part of what's made it so easy for the Skrulls to infiltrate SHIELD is that Fury isn't there to keep the organization clean anymore), but them being as fucked up as they are is what makes this story so great. You get the feeling that everything is bleak, it's a terrible situation for everyone.

I think that, as has been said, the Skrulls have already won, and Secret Invasion won't be a story about the heroes defending their planet, it'll be a story about them trying to get it back.

You know, this is going to be the nerd in me talking, but I really hope my boy Spidey gets some screen time in Secret Invasion. I mean, I reckon it's more or less guaranteed, since he's had some prominence in Marvel's last two events (Civil War and House of M), but yeah. I want to see Peter kicking Skrull ass around the block.

I fear Peter's role will not be as prominent in this event as he was in the last two, sadly.

You know, I totally just got around to reading this blog post by Brevoort:

http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/entry/972

And...jeez, Secret Invasion #1 looks like it's going to be jam packed with stuff. Lots of things I didn't expect, too, like Marvel Boy.

And...jeez, Secret Invasion #1 looks like it's going to be jam packed with stuff. Lots of things I didn't expect, too, like Marvel Boy.

Yeeeeeeees. It's gonna be awesome.

This whole spring/summer is nerdtastic.

Hellboy 2
The Dark Knight
the new Hulk movie
Secret Invasion
Final Crisis
Old Man Logan

:rock:

You know, I totally just got around to reading this blog post by Brevoort:

http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/entry/972

And...jeez, Secret Invasion #1 looks like it's going to be jam packed with stuff. Lots of things I didn't expect, too, like Marvel Boy.

That was awesome....though....:( It looks like


*Speculation*
Dum Dum might be a Skrull :(

6) I’m not sure the connection between XXX XXX (Dum Dum?) and XXXXX exploding connects clearly enough. All we see is XXX XXX XXXXXX XXX XXX XXX and then the base goes up. I think we need to see some sort of minor action—his pressing a button or something—that makes it a hair more obvious that he’s responsible for the detonation as a suicide bomber. Or even him saying “As it was written…” like the other Skrull agents.



Either way this looks fucking Awesome!

I am sorry if this has been gone over before (90 pages is a lot to go through) but has the two page spread of Vision crashing the quinjet into the mansion in Avengers 500 been mentioned? I see two Skrully silhouettes in the lower left.

I think that, as has been said, the Skrulls have already won, and Secret Invasion won't be a story about the heroes defending their planet, it'll be a story about them trying to get it back.

That's kinda the vibe I'm getting too.

While it'd be cool to have a "Discover the hidden enemy" type story, the hater crowd would say it was too talky and not as action packed for a summer event.

Whereas, realizing they're screwed, with the stakes being so high, it'd be the one thing that's definitely able to pull everyone together and put aside differences.

The payoff would be better as well, IMO, in terms of "heroic" plots that people have been clamoring for. No more reacting to events as they happen to heroes, but pushing back (if that makes sense)

Storywise, having the heroes as the underdogs makes it easier to cheer them on. Look at how fans were reacting to Cap in Civil War.

I am sorry if this has been gone over before (90 pages is a lot to go through) but has the two page spread of Vision crashing the quinjet into the mansion in Avengers 500 been mentioned? I see two Skrully silhouettes in the lower left.

Nope, I don't think anyone's brought it up. I'll have to check the issue when I get home.

Speaking of which, what issues were the "bug" stuff featured in? I was checking 500 last night but didn't see any.

Anyways, the only Vision talk so far was:



So, here's a possible clue from the retailer summit:


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1335/1368536602_58967f0d77.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1007/1367639741_179480e34b.jpg


Now looking at the pics, we have:


Luke Cage
Vision
Hawkeye
Emma Frost
Iron Man
Beast
Spidey

Thoughts?

Likely, not all are LITERALLY Skrulls, but herrings? A mix? I know Bendis would like to ditch Cat-Beast. And Vision would be weird with the ties to Scarlett Witch, Young Avengers, etc.




Vision is an interesting player in all this, not only b/c of the Wanda, DIssassembled and YA stuff but also b/c it was Vision that pretty much announced the start of the Kree/Skrull War back in the day (similar to how he announced Dissassembled, actually)


As as aside, I'm also thinking more and more that "42" has been compromised.

There's too much coincidence that the number of Raft escapees was 42, which is confirmed as a Skrull plot. And since it was one of the "Big 100" ideas, for it to be ignored at this point seems odd.

That's kinda the vibe I'm getting too.

While it'd be cool to have a "Discover the hidden enemy" type story, the hater crowd would say it was too talky and not as action packed for a summer event.

Whereas, realizing they're screwed, with the stakes being so high, it'd be the one thing that's definitely able to pull everyone together and put aside differences.

The payoff would be better as well, IMO, in terms of "heroic" plots that people have been clamoring for. No more reacting to events as they happen to heroes, but pushing back (if that makes sense)

Storywise, having the heroes as the underdogs makes it easier to cheer them on. Look at how fans were reacting to Cap in Civil War.

Agreed 110% I never had the impression that this was gonna be about defending the Earth, but was always gonna be about getting it back. SHRA pardons will get handed out like candy. We'll get to see some awesome battles (since technically with the Skrulls, you could have any villian or hero facing off against any other villian or hero). And in the end, Iron Man will be vindicated and celebrated universally as a hero again.

Anyone want to go over the deck from Brevoort for clues?

ACES
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12691
KINGS
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12733
QUEENS
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12774
JACKS
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12828


REED

Replacing Reed Richards with a Skrull doppelganger would be to remove him from play would offer the shape -shifters a number of advantages. "It would give them the ability to pass misinformation to the enemy from an unimpeachable source," Brevoort stated. "Plus, Reed has access to the Negative Zone, including the prison situated therein, which might make for a good beachhead."

Of course, the Skrulls don't have to replace Richards to neutralize him.

Nice to see it hasn't been forgotten.



DR. STRANGE
“Strange has always professed a limited command over the physical world--he's really good at combating mystical creatures through mystical means, but those same mystic abilities have fewer direct applications in the real world,” Brevoort said. “Plus, Strange is a guy full of character flaws, a certain arrogance that makes him overconfident and even cocky at times--this is the same character flaw that turned him into such a bastard when he was a surgeon.”

More fodder for Night Nurse being a Skrull targeting Dr. Strange?



STORM

“A Skull impersonating Storm becomes a player with connections and respect among the mutant community,” Brevoort said. “And a player with access to the shadowy goings-on within Wakanda, one of the most technologically-advanced and secretive nations on the planet.”

When fighting a shadow war, the slightest weakness can be exploited and lead to disastrous consequences, and Storm has two disadvantages that can be used against her. “Storm's claustrophobia is an obvious drawback,” Brevoort stated. “More subtle is the fact that, since her marriage to T'Challa, Storm's been living in a land far removed from those who know her best, and who would be most likely to be able to detect a substitution.”

Definitely a target, especially considering BP's consideration for the Illuminati (which we're likely meant to reflect on once it's all out in the open) as well as the whole Vibranium/New Avengers ties. Add in Doom/Namor's whole alliance proposal and being so isolated, they're bound to be a target

Anyone wondering if Spidey in NA is a Skrull? Him picturing himself as an idealized Peter Parker (as opposed to his alter ego) during Doc Strange's spell makes me wonder if he's a sleeper or just really geeked up to be Peter Parker, as opposed to Spider-Man …

I am sorry if this has been gone over before (90 pages is a lot to go through) but has the two page spread of Vision crashing the quinjet into the mansion in Avengers 500 been mentioned? I see two Skrully silhouettes in the lower left.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/camel100s/Skrully.jpg

I only see one. Nice catch man.

After reading The Order #7 - Namor still gives off that Skrully vibe.

And, since I'm not going through a billion posts - Considering the ending of Messiah Complex, when does the end of Illuminati mini take place? Well before? Is all of the Secret Invasion stuff before Messiah Complex?

Agreed 110% I never had the impression that this was gonna be about defending the Earth, but was always gonna be about getting it back. SHRA pardons will get handed out like candy. We'll get to see some awesome battles (since technically with the Skrulls, you could have any villian or hero facing off against any other villian or hero). And in the end, Iron Man will be vindicated and celebrated universally as a hero again.

Or he'll be called out as an idiot for having played along with the Skrulls plans to divide the hero community and taking out some of the more important defenders of Earth in it's time of need and all that....

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/camel100s/Skrully.jpg

I only see one. Nice catch man.

Well how about that. Its definitely something, not sure what though...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/camel100s/Skrully.jpg

I only see one. Nice catch man.

The second one (if there is a second one) is above where you wrote "catch". Admittedly, it is less defined, but it is positioned to be seen from directly behind. I think I see a head, the points of two ears, and the left super-skrull shoulder pad.

Here be a two page spread from Mighty #8, where you see Tony being super paranoid about the filthy Skrulls.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/captainamerica/sofreedom/2/MIGHTAVN008_page.jpg

hey, thanks for the spoilers!
not everyone wants ta know what comes out tommora before tommora.
I'm sure it's not that big in terms of spoiling what's going on, or what will go on, but that is a serisouly sweet spread that would have been awesome to see.

hey, thanks for the spoilers!
not everyone wants ta know what comes out tommora before tommora.
I'm sure it's not that big in terms of spoiling what's going on, or what will go on, but that is a serisouly sweet spread that would have been awesome to see.

Probably why he tagged it as a spoiler.

Probably why he tagged it as a spoiler.

when I wrote that message there were no spoil tags.

hey, thanks for the spoilers!
not everyone wants ta know what comes out tommora before tommora.
I'm sure it's not that big in terms of spoiling what's going on, or what will go on, but that is a serisouly sweet spread that would have been awesome to see.

It's...it's hidden, dude. And it's not spoiler-y at all. It's just Tony thinking about the Skrull situation. Nothing we don't know or haven't seen in Illuminati already.

Ok, I think I have another theory about a potential Skrull replacement, which coincidentally ties into HULK #1's Murder Mystery.

Apparently, there was some artwork that leaked online that showed the Red Hulk with a moustache. It's since been yanked from the Marvel Boards, and the Flickr account that hosted said image has been removed. If you look at the art that shipped, it does look like the remnants of a moustache.

So, one theory is that the Red Hulk is General Ross.

How? I'd speculate that Ross became "infected" during WWH. Specifically, when the Hulk was riddled with adamantium bullets and bleeding profusely and leapt at Ross. Hulk and Ross took a HUGE fall. Keeping in mind that this Hulk was giving out massive amounts of radiation as he became increasingly angrier. Ross, was in direct contact with him. Who's to say about the whole blood issue as well.

Anyways, long story short, Ross would use a gun to try and kill Abomination who killed his daughter. Storywise, it'd have some payoff when Green and Red fight each other, if it was Bruce and Ross. Especially if there was some mention of Betty that resulted in him confessing in typical murder mystery fashion.

As for the Skrull part of things.. Ross is a four star general, well placed in the military. He has no family ties that could result in a blown cover. His rank would mean he doesn't have his actions questioned. And he's always in pursuit of the Hulk and no one questions it.

If the Skrulls wanted to target the Hulk (he's listed as a King in the above card deck), that's one way they could always keep an eye on him and get in close proximity to him for possible replacement.

I'd say the replacement happened during WWH, during all the chaos. Ross falling from that height and being unhurt was kind of weird. Whether it's due to gaining something from the Hulk (healing factor wise) or if he was genuinely hurt and replaced from that point forth as a Skrull, I dunno. I'd lean towards the later.

So, the Ross in Hulk #1 would be a Skrull, keeping tabs on trying to find this new Hulk, which turns out to be General Ross. What happens when Ross Hulk meets Ross Skrull? That could make for a fun reveal.

Just speculation based on the talk of there being a Skrull in every book, as well as the recent Loeb podcast where he was talking about not tying in directly, but hinting that something Skrully might happen.

The timing for issue 3 or 4 when the reveal happens (in theory) would come around the same time as Secret Invasion as well.

Thoughts?

Ok, I think I have another theory about a potential Skrull replacement, which coincidentally ties into HULK #1's Murder Mystery.

Apparently, there was some artwork that leaked online that showed the Red Hulk with a moustache. It's since been yanked from the Marvel Boards, and the Flickr account that hosted said image has been removed. If you look at the art that shipped, it does look like the remnants of a moustache.

So, one theory is that the Red Hulk is General Ross.

How? I'd speculate that Ross became "infected" during WWH. Specifically, when the Hulk was riddled with adamantium bullets and bleeding profusely and leapt at Ross. Hulk and Ross took a HUGE fall. Keeping in mind that this Hulk was giving out massive amounts of radiation as he became increasingly angrier. Ross, was in direct contact with him. Who's to say about the whole blood issue as well.

Anyways, long story short, Ross would use a gun to try and kill Abomination who killed his daughter. Storywise, it'd have some payoff when Green and Red fight each other, if it was Bruce and Ross. Especially if there was some mention of Betty that resulted in him confessing in typical murder mystery fashion.

As for the Skrull part of things.. Ross is a four star general, well placed in the military. He has no family ties that could result in a blown cover. His rank would mean he doesn't have his actions questioned. And he's always in pursuit of the Hulk and no one questions it.

If the Skrulls wanted to target the Hulk (he's listed as a King in the above card deck), that's one way they could always keep an eye on him and get in close proximity to him for possible replacement.

I'd say the replacement happened during WWH, during all the chaos. Ross falling from that height and being unhurt was kind of weird. Whether it's due to gaining something from the Hulk (healing factor wise) or if he was genuinely hurt and replaced from that point forth as a Skrull, I dunno. I'd lean towards the later.

So, the Ross in Hulk #1 would be a Skrull, keeping tabs on trying to find this new Hulk, which turns out to be General Ross. What happens when Ross Hulk meets Ross Skrull? That could make for a fun reveal.

Just speculation based on the talk of there being a Skrull in every book, as well as the recent Loeb podcast where he was talking about not tying in directly, but hinting that something Skrully might happen.

The timing for issue 3 or 4 when the reveal happens (in theory) would come around the same time as Secret Invasion as well.

Thoughts?

Makes sence to me. I havent read Red Hulk yet, but from the first time it was mentioned I wanted it to be Ross, just because it makes good dramatic sense

Another "Skrull in every book" theory. I'm thinking the "Khonchu" in Moon Knight since the re-launch is a skrull. It's basically been fucking with Spector's head, getting him back into the hero game and goading him into fighting who he wants when he wants him to.

Another "Skrull in every book" theory. I'm thinking the "Khonchu" in Moon Knight since the re-launch is a skrull. It's basically been fucking with Spector's head, getting him back into the hero game and goading him into fighting who he wants when he wants him to.

What?

NO!

Fuck No!!!

Khonshu is a manifestation of Marc Spector's mental problems ala what's his face and hot blonde chick in Battlestar Galactica.

Making him a Skrull would suck six shades of donkey dick.

What?

NO!

Fuck No!!!

Khonshu is a manifestation of Marc Spector's mental problems ala what's his face and hot blonde chick in Battlestar Galactica.

Making him a Skrull would suck six shades of donkey dick.
Personally I hated the whole retcon of Khonshu being just a figment of Marc's imagination. Making him be a Skrull would just be a further fuck up of him.

Although, to be fair, if this was the pic that was yanked, I could see this whole Ross Is Hulk thing being false :)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthrosshulk1.jpg

That's from the 'What If...General Ross Had Become the Hulk?' book.

What?

NO!

Fuck No!!!

Khonshu is a manifestation of Marc Spector's mental problems ala what's his face and hot blonde chick in Battlestar Galactica.

Making him a Skrull would suck six shades of donkey dick.

I know that's how it looks on the surface of it, but It makes some sence if you look at it a different way:

Maybe Khonshu is really in Marc's head, but when he/it interacts with the real world it's a Skrull. Remember when Khonshu pulled up to Marc in the back of a limo? Who was really in that Limo? Did a manifestation of his mind call a car service for him?

I mean if there is a Skrull in every book, who would be your choice for MK?

That's from the 'What If...General Ross Had Become the Hulk?' book.

I know, that's the point.

I think I remember them saying something about the cover looking like Hulk #1. If that's the basis for the entire moustache Hulk thing, then yeah, I don't see it happening.

It'd be neat if it was true though.

When I read (Red) Hulk #1, I thought that the display of three successive scans of Doc Samson and Gen Ross, making a point of triple-confirming their identities (and with a green laser, to boot), was a little tip to watch these guys ... (... but I guessed our green-haired shrink was a Skrull, not the man in green).

Here be a two page spread from Mighty #8, where you see Tony being super paranoid about the filthy Skrulls.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/captainamerica/sofreedom/2/MIGHTAVN008_page.jpg

Who's the woman next to Ms Marvel?

Also Wonder Man's a skrull.

Who's the woman next to Ms Marvel?

Either that Civil War lady or Jessica? Leaning towards the former.

Also Wonder Man's a skrull.

Either way, WM sucks :P

I know that's how it looks on the surface of it, but It makes some sence if you look at it a different way:

Maybe Khonshu is really in Marc's head, but when he/it interacts with the real world it's a Skrull. Remember when Khonshu pulled up to Marc in the back of a limo? Who was really in that Limo? Did a manifestation of his mind call a car service for him?

I mean if there is a Skrull in every book, who would be your choice for MK?

Frenchie's prosthetic legs. :)

Two pages from Secret Invasion.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12846

Yikes.. bad time to be Reed.

Pym's skrully :D

Alone with Pym, while he's preoccupied with his latest science toy?

Two pages from Secret Invasion.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12846
Outstanding.

Frenchie's prosthetic legs. :)

:lol:

Although his lover came out of nowhere, didn't he?

I definitely think

Pym
is Skrully.

Then again, it might seem a little too obvious.

I'm gonna go on a limb and say that no one seen in that 2 page preview is a Skrull.

I definitely think

Pym
is Skrully.

Then again, it might seem a little too obvious.

True.

Don't know if it has been discussed. But I'm betting money that The Watcher is compromised or at the very Worst a Skrull. The Watcher who showed up in Civil War was a Skrull. Think about it, The Watcher only shows up at Ominous times right? Showing up in the middle of all the Heroes has got to have them all freaked out. It was just gearing towards the paranoia of what was about to happen.

Then on top of that all with Black Bolt being a Skrull they would have access to his Moon Base. I mean, from the Watchers Base you can see EVERYTHING ON EARTH. I'm betting that's how they started switching in and out with the Heroes. Makes perfect sense.

Don't know if it has been discussed. But I'm betting money that The Watcher is compromised or at the very Worst a Skrull. The Watcher who showed up in Civil War was a Skrull. Think about it, The Watcher only shows up at Ominous times right? Showing up in the middle of all the Heroes has got to have them all freaked out. It was just gearing towards the paranoia of what was about to happen.

Then on top of that all with Black Bolt being a Skrull they would have access to his Moon Base. I mean, from the Watchers Base you can see EVERYTHING ON EARTH. I'm betting that's how they started switching in and out with the Heroes. Makes perfect sense.

I could really buy that. I mean I still think that CW was ominous enough to qualify for a Watcher appearence, but especially the Black Bolt/Moon Base connection is good.

I could really buy that. I mean I still think that CW was ominous enough to qualify for a Watcher appearence, but especially the Black Bolt/Moon Base connection is good.

Yeah that was just my own further engulfing speculation. But I think it's a huge miss if the Watcher isn't compromised at all. It's just too perfect a set up for the Skrulls to overlook.

I like the Moon connection, but hate it cause that'd mean yet ANOTHER potential Hulk victory Skrullified.

I still think the BB in WWH was the genuine article.

Good catch on being able to observe everyone.. using the Space Gem they could swap out people whenever they wanted.

If that's true, then Dr. Strange was replaced during CW. His conversion to the Avengers would be suspect.

...

And it'd be ANOTHER squatting on WWH, which I disagree with :D

If that's true, then Dr. Strange was replaced during CW. His conversion to the Avengers would be suspect.

...

And it'd be ANOTHER squatting on WWH, which I disagree with :D

Spoilers for NA annual #2:

Based on what I've heard so far, Strange comes off as extremely un-Skrully in today's annual.

Spoilers for NA annual #2:

Based on what I've heard so far, Strange comes off as extremely un-Skrully in today's annual.


So, then that wipes out the Watcher replacement thing. :D

Of course, it's possible they could walk right into the Watcher base, right? He can't do anything other than observe.. what's he going to do?

The idea of them operating from the Moon with the Space Gem does make it seem a lot like the war was over before the heroes even knew about it. I don't see how they could come back from something like that.

The idea of them operating from the Moon with the Space Gem does make it seem a lot like the war was over before the heroes even knew about it. I don't see how they could come back from something like that.

Oh man, do I hope the Infinity Gems play a part in SI.

So, then that wipes out the Watcher replacement thing. :D

Of course, it's possible they could walk right into the Watcher base, right? He can't do anything other than observe.. what's he going to do?

The idea of them operating from the Moon with the Space Gem does make it seem a lot like the war was over before the heroes even knew about it. I don't see how they could come back from something like that.

Yep. it'd be an extremely Ominous sign if they found out that The Watcher was Compromised. Crazy awesome though.

Oh man, do I hope the Infinity Gems play a part in SI.
Especially since they all agreed not to use them under any circumstances. Uatu warned them that they'd wouldn't be able to resist the temptation.

Especially since they all agreed not to use them under any circumstances. Uatu warned them that they'd wouldn't be able to resist the temptation.

Oh, they're gonna use 'em

Its the only way they are going to have to find out who is a Skrull (and Triathalon too I guess)

Oh man, do I hope the Infinity Gems play a part in SI.

They gave Black Bolt, aka Skrull Bolt, the space gem if I recall correctly. Which is kind of horrifying for the Marvel characters when you think about it.

The Skrulls could have been picking heroes off at any time at any place no matter where or when they were.

The Reality Gem on the other hand should easily be able to reveal Skrulls.

The Reality Gem on the other hand should easily be able to reveal Skrulls.

Who got that one again?

In fact, I completely forget which Illuminati members got what gems.

Who got that one again?

In fact, I completely forget which Illuminati members got what gems.
I actually forgot that myself. :Oops:

I think its the yellow one. If it is, then Tony has it. I have the hardcover right next to me.

:( I want this to come out now.

Space Gem - Black Bolt
Mind Gem - Charles Xavier
Soul Gem - Dr.Strange
Reality Gem - Iron Man
Time Gem - Namor
Power Gem - Mr.Fantastic

Something else.. replacing Ross would position them to keep an eye on Hulk for replacement, but also to keep an eye on Rick Jones who can generally be found around the Hulk.

Oh, and just to show how bleak things are for the Marvel U?

Half the Illuminati are down before issue 1's even shipped.

Xavier, Strange, BB - Neutralized
Reed, Stark, Namor - Namor's status could be iffy.. Stark is paranoid, and Reed is enraptured by the newest science puzzle challenge.

Iron Man's gonna use the Reality Gem to reveal the Skrulls.

Just read this info about The Cube where Marvel Boy was being held (but now rules it)


The Cube

A prison for super-powered beings. Its location is undisclosed and only high-ranking S.H.I.E.L.D.-agents know of its existence. It has a special program where prisoners are brainwashed to become obedient soldiers. The Cube was created by writer Grant Morrison and artist J.G. Jones in Marvel Boy #6 (2000). When last seen in Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #4 Noh Varr (Marvel Boy) had taken control of the entire facility.

And recalling that Brevoort hint:


5) The Marvel Boy scene in the Cube doesn’t really link up properly with where we left him at the end of CIVIL WAR. At that point, he had liberated himself, and taken over the Cube. I think this is easy enough to address, though—it just means that Marvel Boy isn’t in his cell when XXX XXXXX XXXX, but is instead in the Warden’s quarters, or some other place of authority. And maybe he needs some sort of “It’s time.” Kind of sentiment as he heads towards the hole in the wall and his destiny.


I'm speculating the hidden text is something like THE SKRULL LAND..

Anyways, I forgot about that aspect of the Cube and it makes sense for why they'd target it.

So, this pretty much confirms that high level SHIELD agents have been compromised.

It also means that every issue of Illuminati seems to have something to do with S.I. (which isn't new news really) Might be worth re-reading that one for clues. How did the Illuminati find out about M.B. again? (It wasn't post Civil War, since Strange was there.. so Stark wasn't head of SHIELD at that point..)

Is it safe to say that the Hood is in league or contact with Skrull benefactors? He commands and organizes a large and unpredictable rogue element that in theory would act to defend their planet along with the heroes. Unless someone was distracting them with money.

Is it safe to say that the Hood is in league or contact with Skrull benefactors? He commands and organizes a large and unpredictable rogue element that in theory would act to defend their planet along with the heroes. Unless someone was distracting them with money.

It's sorta implied at the end of NA Annual #2 that the demon who he got his powers from is helping him.

I'm inferring off the scene at the end of it where The Hood is in an alley and says he did what they asked but still lost the New Avengers and apparently he gets a reply since he says he'll do something. I'm guessing it's the demon since there is no one in the alley or any reply shown from the person he's in contact with. Although it is entirely possible it's also a Skrull in addition to that demon since he couldn't have gotten that list of names form anywhere else

Regarding the SI #1 preview:

They mention that a Skrull craft has crash landed. Does this mean that the word is given to start coming to Earth overtly? The Skrull agents (which there may have been fewer than the characters realize) have completed the hardest work and now more Skrulls (maybe those who were not sold on the idea at first) can come in and settle into identities until its time to pull the plug on humans being the dominant life form on Earth. Just wondering why a Skrull ship would openly crash land...

The Skrull ship crashing could be their first mistake.

Regarding the SI #1 preview:

They mention that a Skrull craft has crash landed. Does this mean that the word is given to start coming to Earth overtly? The Skrull agents (which there may have been fewer than the characters realize) have completed the hardest work and now more Skrulls (maybe those who were not sold on the idea at first) can come in and settle into identities until its time to pull the plug on humans being the dominant life form on Earth. Just wondering why a Skrull ship would openly crash land...

Well it does say crash land. So maybe it wasn't intentional. Maybe something happened to it and it had no choice.

It would be funny if the ship crashed as a result of something going on in Annihilation.

It would be funny if the ship crashed as a result of something going on in Annihilation.

It'd be cool if non-believers in the Earth-takeover plot got with the program real fast because of Annihilation. I just don't believe that all Skrulls everywhere know about and are in step with whatever Secret Invasion is.

so when does SI #1 come out?

April somethingth …

EDIT/ADD: April 2nd …

Maybe someone escaped.

Imagine if Black Bolt managed to get free, and since he was trapped surrounded by Skrulls, his only means of escape would be a Skrull ship.

Added drama since BB could get shot down by SWORD or whatever while he's trying to warn everyone.

Unlikely though, since Brevoort seemed to imply (with me inferring) that it's a SKRULL SPY that's crashing.

So.. Doom again.

It's a genius move on the Skrull's part if they DID replace him.

Skrulls get their frustration out on Reed by acting as Doom. "If it wasn't for your incompetence with the first incursion group, etc.."

Anyways, "Doom" can overtly mess with heroes (ala the symbiote bomb) and generally get away with it. If someone died in the symbiote bomb, great, if not, when they show up, he gets to reveal his "grand plan".

At this point, Stark's probably desperate enough to listen to anything Skrull related, so when Doom claims he has a way of detecting the Skrulls, the fighting would instantly stop.

He claims to know about the heroes being replaced. How he fended off his own attack and stumbled on their plot. It wasn't until Stark found out that he felt he could test the heroes to see who's real and who isn't. When asked how Doom knew of that, he'll just say, "I'm Doom, you question my knowledge?" When challenged to prove he's Doom, he'll trot out some convienient Skrull disguised, and prove he can detect them, upon which he'll kill said Skrull to prove his loyalties.

Maybe he'll say something about his satellites being used to detect them or that was how he stumbled upon it. It seems weird that they were out there and Stark didn't find them until now. And maybe he'll try to get Stark to pool their resources, which would benefit the Skrulls.

Either way, whoever said Doom would be shown defeated, captured at the end was probably very right..

not gonna search this entire thread to see if anyone has already answered this so perhaps someone can help me out...avengers #502...hawkeye kicking ass...top panel of the page...skrull in bottom right corner...skrull is in the next panel as well but appears to be shape shifting...can anyone tell into whom?

not gonna search this entire thread to see if anyone has already answered this so perhaps someone can help me out...avengers #502...hawkeye kicking ass...top panel of the page...skrull in bottom right corner...skrull is in the next panel as well but appears to be shape shifting...can anyone tell into whom?

We had that covered long time ago. Question is were any of those really Kree warriors or did it only look like Kree warriors bashing the Avengers on their worst day?

not gonna search this entire thread to see if anyone has already answered this so perhaps someone can help me out...avengers #502...hawkeye kicking ass...top panel of the page...skrull in bottom right corner...skrull is in the next panel as well but appears to be shape shifting...can anyone tell into whom?

Quicksilver

That whole thing was suggested since Quicksilver showed up in the Finale claiming to not have been there during Disassembled...which something/someone looking a lot like him was there.

Quicksilver

That whole thing was suggested since Quicksilver showed up in the Finale claiming to not have been there during Disassembled...which something/someone looking a lot like him was there.

very much appreciated...thank you sir...i was rereading it this evening and noticed that and to me it seemed like it could be wonder man based on the costume design and hair line but it also could just be the way that finch decided to draw the skrull at that momet

So.. Doom again.

It's a genius move on the Skrull's part if they DID replace him.

Skrulls get their frustration out on Reed by acting as Doom. "If it wasn't for your incompetence with the first incursion group, etc.."

Anyways, "Doom" can overtly mess with heroes (ala the symbiote bomb) and generally get away with it. If someone died in the symbiote bomb, great, if not, when they show up, he gets to reveal his "grand plan".

At this point, Stark's probably desperate enough to listen to anything Skrull related, so when Doom claims he has a way of detecting the Skrulls, the fighting would instantly stop.

He claims to know about the heroes being replaced. How he fended off his own attack and stumbled on their plot. It wasn't until Stark found out that he felt he could test the heroes to see who's real and who isn't. When asked how Doom knew of that, he'll just say, "I'm Doom, you question my knowledge?" When challenged to prove he's Doom, he'll trot out some convienient Skrull disguised, and prove he can detect them, upon which he'll kill said Skrull to prove his loyalties.

Maybe he'll say something about his satellites being used to detect them or that was how he stumbled upon it. It seems weird that they were out there and Stark didn't find them until now. And maybe he'll try to get Stark to pool their resources, which would benefit the Skrulls.

Either way, whoever said Doom would be shown defeated, captured at the end was probably very right..

I think Doom is being set up. Doom is a real and somewhat insulated threat to the Skrull plot (as opposed to the heroes who are largely easy to monitor via the Initiative). So you point your Initiative heroes at him and get them to take him all the way out. And after the symbiote bombing of NY the Mighty Avengers clearly aren't asking questions. Is just not Doom's way in my opinion. Why launch such an attack (what does it have to do with destroying the FF or placing Doom closer to ruling the world?)? And unlike the Red Skull or other villains, Doctor Doom generally wants you to know that it came from him, right? He'd be on a monitor saying, "Hey America/ the Fantastic Four, I know how much you adore symbiotes and I happen to have some to spare." Makes more sense to run an attack (but why symbiotes?) and then leave a poorly disguised clue leading back to Latveria that the Mighty Avengers who are spoiling for a no-questions-asked fight cannot resist. Smells like a set up to me more so than Skrull Doom picking a fight that doesn't need to be fought if you're running a secret invasion.

very much appreciated...thank you sir...i was rereading it this evening and noticed that and to me it seemed like it could be wonder man based on the costume design and hair line but it also could just be the way that finch decided to draw the skrull at that momet

Initially the thought was that anyone who didn't have a speaking part was potentially a..what was the word..construct of Wanda's. Which plugged into Quicksilver expressly saying in Avengers Finale that he was not present during the Kree attack when we clearly saw that he was. Wanda's powers had been crazy of late and always hard to truly define so I guess we just accepted that she could make false people in addition to affect probabilities (which can translate into promoting chaos). Now, in light of the secret invasion, all of that potentially has different meaning.

We had that covered long time ago. Question is were any of those really Kree warriors or did it only look like Kree warriors bashing the Avengers on their worst day?
I believe the answer was at the time that Scarlet Witch's powers created the Ultron, Kree, Skrulls and all of those other super-villains the Avengers fought that day. Hence why they started to vanish when she was entering her coma-like state.

And she may have psionically generated many of the Avengers that showed up on the scene. Quasar for example (who shouldn't even have been on Earth) was there.

Initially the thought was that anyone who didn't have a speaking part was potentially a..what was the word..construct of Wanda's. Which plugged into Quicksilver expressly saying in Avengers Finale that he was not present during the Kree attack when we clearly saw that he was. Wanda's powers had been crazy of late and always hard to truly define so I guess we just accepted that she could make false people in addition to affect probabilities (which can translate into promoting chaos). Now, in light of the secret invasion, all of that potentially has different meaning.

i was thinking that myself (about wanda's powers creating constructs) and am thinking that the kree had to be wanda's constructs in response to your previous question because of them up and flashing out of existence or whatever...but that doesn't explain their ships still being there...

but yea after looking at that large gathering of heroes again it really got me wondering not who but how many of them are skrulls...

good stuff....good stuff indeed...bendis is certainly giving everyone their money's worth...rereading stuff before secret invasion...probably having people rereading it again afterwards seeing stuff in a much different light...genius...none of this is new to me...i just finally got off my lazy but to go back and check out some of the stuff mentioned in this thread and decided i'd start at the so called beginning

I think Doom is being set up. Doom is a real and somewhat insulated threat to the Skrull plot (as opposed to the heroes who are largely easy to monitor via the Initiative). So you point your Initiative heroes at him and get them to take him all the way out. And after the symbiote bombing of NY the Mighty Avengers clearly aren't asking questions. Is just not Doom's way in my opinion. Why launch such an attack (what does it have to do with destroying the FF or placing Doom closer to ruling the world?)? And unlike the Red Skull or other villains, Doctor Doom generally wants you to know that it came from him, right? He'd be on a monitor saying, "Hey America/ the Fantastic Four, I know how much you adore symbiotes and I happen to have some to spare." Makes more sense to run an attack (but why symbiotes?) and then leave a poorly disguised clue leading back to Latveria that the Mighty Avengers who are spoiling for a no-questions-asked fight cannot resist. Smells like a set up to me more so than Skrull Doom picking a fight that doesn't need to be fought if you're running a secret invasion.
But wasn't the whole bombing thing an accident? Considering it was because some idiot astronaut kicked it off a broken satellite. But it also begs the question if that bomb really belonged to Doom where the hell did he get all those symbiotes. I agree with you the Skrulls are probably trying to take Doom out of the equation. Unlike all the others Doom isn't easy to monitor or replace and as such he's a threat.

One thing I don't get is Iron Man's reasoning to go in fist first? Even he should know by now that Doom wouldn't do something like that without a reason. What would he gain by turning New York into a venom city? And what about those Kree in Captain Marvel? It's pretty weird since they tell Iron Man that Mar-Vell contacted them and Mar-Vell comes since he said Tony told him to come. And for that matter who sent Cyclone and Colbalt Man? Considering Colbalt Man should be dead it's very suspect. That and also the fact that there were two guys watching apparently testing Mar-Vell. I think they're Skrulls trying to see if that's Mar-Vell maybe?

I really like the idea that the symbiotes and the Skrulls may share a common origin. I think that, if Doom is really Doom, it'd make sense for the Skrulls to use these monsters to attack NYC and make it look like Doom did it, so the Avengers would go and take Doom out, clearing the path a bit for the Skrulls.

If Doom isn't really Doom, though...hmmmm...maybe...well, this is going to sound kind of paranoid and far-reaching, but given how smart Doom is, could it be that the symbiote virus was a measure he implemented specifically in case he was ever replaced? Say, he knows he could be replaced at any point, so he crafts this attack plan on US soil and leaves enough clues to lead anyone who fends off the attack (likely the Avengers or the FF) to determine that it was Doom who did it, and then when they go to demand answers from him, they discover that it's not really Doom, take the impostor down, and hopefully, look further into Doom's disappearance and find the real McCoy. So, essentially, it would be a failsafe plan in case he was ever captured and replaced by Skrulls or, I don't know, sentient Doombots.

I really like the idea that the symbiotes and the Skrulls may share a common origin. I think that, if Doom is really Doom, it'd make sense for the Skrulls to use these monsters to attack NYC and make it look like Doom did it, so the Avengers would go and take Doom out, clearing the path a bit for the Skrulls.

If Doom isn't really Doom, though...hmmmm...maybe...well, this is going to sound kind of paranoid and far-reaching, but given how smart Doom is, could it be that the symbiote virus was a measure he implemented specifically in case he was ever replaced? Say, he knows he could be replaced at any point, so he crafts this attack plan on US soil and leaves enough clues to lead anyone who fends off the attack (likely the Avengers or the FF) to determine that it was Doom who did it, and then when they go to demand answers from him, they discover that it's not really Doom, take the impostor down, and hopefully, look further into Doom's disappearance and find the real McCoy. So, essentially, it would be a failsafe plan in case he was ever captured and replaced by Skrulls or, I don't know, sentient Doombots.

I doubt he was replaced and for that matter that he even knows about the Skrulls. If Reed Richards and Tony Stark didn't know about why would Doom? He doesn't give a crap about the outside world except for when it comes to Reed Richards Namor. And the next few issues of Mighty Avengers are going to be a slugfest between Doom and the Mighty Avengers so we're just gonna have to wait and see huh?

I doubt he was replaced and for that matter that he even knows about the Skrulls. If Reed Richards and Tony Stark didn't know about why would Doom? He doesn't give a crap about the outside world except for when it comes to Reed Richards Namor. And the next few issues of Mighty Avengers are going to be a slugfest between Doom and the Mighty Avengers so we're just gonna have to wait and see huh?

I don't doubt it at all. I think there's a real strong chance Doom has been skrullified.

I doubt he was replaced and for that matter that he even knows about the Skrulls.

There have been some hints here and there that Doom has been replaced, mostly in solicits and interviews. Nothing too explicit or anything, but definitely some hints.

The other thing I keep thinking about in regards to Doom is the alliances he's establishing. The guy is seemingly everywhere, making good with Namor and Loki of all people. I was saying, if Doom hasn't been replaced, it seems the guy is building his own superhuman army, filled with Namor's Atlantean soldiers and Asgardian trolls, frost giants and even the Midgard Serpent.

I'm fairly positive Doom has nothing to do with the symbiote outbreak. Perhaps its the villain from Secret War?

The other thing I keep thinking about in regards to Doom is the alliances he's establishing. The guy is seemingly everywhere, making good with Namor and Loki of all people. I was saying, if Doom hasn't been replaced, it seems the guy is building his own superhuman army, filled with Namor's Atlantean soldiers and Asgardian trolls, frost giants and even the Midgard Serpent.

The only thing that makes sense to me, other than him being a Skrull, is that he's secretly working with Nick Fury to build an anti-Skrull army.

And SHIT would that be awesome.

The other thing I keep thinking about in regards to Doom is the alliances he's establishing. The guy is seemingly everywhere, making good with Namor and Loki of all people. I was saying, if Doom hasn't been replaced, it seems the guy is building his own superhuman army, filled with Namor's Atlantean soldiers and Asgardian trolls, frost giants and even the Midgard Serpent.

Maybe Doom is building an anti-skrull army XD. Although knowing Doom he'd probably kick Fury out of his castle claiming "Doom works alone" or something. But he works with Namor just fine:) Although I doubt Fury would trust anybody much less Doom. And didn't Bendis say Fury was gonna have a patch in the wrong eye or something?

And a coupla silly things. Dan better keep his promise of 3-D Man/Triathlon kicking the most Skrull ass in SI. And also how do you think Herc and Cho get caught up in Secret Invasion? I'm guessing it's something to do with the fact that Skrulls have taken over S.H.I.E.L.D and Cho is trying to destroy them?

The thing with Doom is, I can totally see him helping Fury clear the way out of Skrulls, the screwing him over and trying to take over the world with his super army once the Skrulls are gone. In fact, it would be silly of Fury to not see that coming.

The thing with Doom is, I can totally see him helping Fury clear the way out of Skrulls, the screwing him over and trying to take over the world with his super army once the Skrulls are gone. In fact, it would be silly of Fury to not see that coming.

yeah, but Fury can counter with his hidden army of Fury LMD's!
over 100 Furies, even if they're robots, can fuck over Doom's army.
and that's with Doom having the infinity gauntlet and gems, too.

But wasn't the whole bombing thing an accident? Considering it was because some idiot astronaut kicked it off a broken satellite. But it also begs the question if that bomb really belonged to Doom where the hell did he get all those symbiotes. I agree with you the Skrulls are probably trying to take Doom out of the equation. Unlike all the others Doom isn't easy to monitor or replace and as such he's a threat.

One thing I don't get is Iron Man's reasoning to go in fist first? Even he should know by now that Doom wouldn't do something like that without a reason. What would he gain by turning New York into a venom city? And what about those Kree in Captain Marvel? It's pretty weird since they tell Iron Man that Mar-Vell contacted them and Mar-Vell comes since he said Tony told him to come. And for that matter who sent Cyclone and Colbalt Man? Considering Colbalt Man should be dead it's very suspect. That and also the fact that there were two guys watching apparently testing Mar-Vell. I think they're Skrulls trying to see if that's Mar-Vell maybe?

I think that Iron Man is fed up and means to end the threat of Dr. Doom after clearly being provoked.

Personally, I think that the Kree in Captain Marvel are not Kree at all. Also, the original Cyclone was killed by Scourge wasn't he? If there is a second Clycone (that wore the original's costume), I don't remember. Also, the Cobalt Man was thought to be dead a long time ago (although Iron Man impersonated him in the Avengers/ T-bolts mini) but he turned up in Civil War only to die and then turn up again in Captain Marvel. So something is definitely up, we just don't know what.

I don't doubt it at all. I think there's a real strong chance Doom has been skrullified.

Doom comes back from hell or whereever (his spirit for displaced in the FF Authoritative Action arc as opposed to being trapped in hell in Unthinkable but whatever) only to be supplanted by a Skrull duplicate? To what end? To fail to secure Thor's hammer, give the Red Skull something he needs to complete a project which is always bad for everyone, to ally himself with Namor (they can't both be Skrulls otherwise why go through the trouble of showing them make an alliance instead of there just already being one?), and get out maneuvered by Penance? If Doom is a Skrull agent, he's not very good at it.

The other thing I keep thinking about in regards to Doom is the alliances he's establishing. The guy is seemingly everywhere, making good with Namor and Loki of all people. I was saying, if Doom hasn't been replaced, it seems the guy is building his own superhuman army, filled with Namor's Atlantean soldiers and Asgardian trolls, frost giants and even the Midgard Serpent.

What's the Doom/ Loki connection? Did I miss something?

Doom and sub-mariner are old partners from Super Villain Team Up so that door is always open. Both men know what to expect from the other so them working together isn't a stretch nor unprecedented. I really hope that Doom knows something is off (via Latveria's involvement in Secret War under Lucia von Bardas while he was gone) and is making moves on his own.

I'm fairly positive Doom has nothing to do with the symbiote outbreak. Perhaps its the villain from Secret War?

Lucia exploded at the end of Secret War. So she should be gone, but we know very little about exactly what she was trying to do that Fury got in the way of.

As I recall, Ms. Marvel commented on the fact that Cobalt Man used to be dead.

There's something odd going on in Captain Marvel. If I am remembering right, both Cyclone and Cobalt Man are supposed to be dead. They both commented on the fact that Mar-Vell is apparently stronger and faster than they remember. It seems, to me, that someone might be bringing dead supervillains back, but not...I mean, not back to life. I think they might be bringing them in from the past, similar to how Cap himself is here. This would account for Cap being faster and stronger than they remember, I think. As I recall, Cap was granted cosmic awareness and generally increased powers at some point during his old series. Maybe the Cyclone and Cobalt Man we saw in the current mini are from a time before Cap's powers were augmented.

Who would be bringing the villains to the present, and to what purpose, I dunno.

What's the Doom/ Loki connection? Did I miss something?

It's happening in the current Thor series. Doom and Loki have apparently made a pact to trick Thor into reviving many "unpleasant" Asgardian beings such as Loki himself, Hela, the Midgard Serpent, et cetera (remember that they all "died" during the Ragnarok arc in Avengers Disassembled). The beings that have been revived so far are currently exploring the world, until such time as they become useful for Doom and Loki's grand plan (which hasn't been detailed exactly, but seems to entail using them to take over the world, according to Loki's comments).

So Doom's making deal with Loki in Thor, with the Red Skull in Captain America, and with Namor in the Sub-Mariner miniseries.

He's also showing up in Mighty Avengers and Fantastic Four soon.

Methinks the Doctor is up to something...

Good lord, Captain Marvel #3 tips the Secret Invasion hand in a big way next week. And the series doesn't get the SI:I label until issue #4. So with what all was in the previous issues I'm puzzling over what will be in #4 that they feel does warrant the trade dress. When the trade paperback hits there should be a giant Secret Invasion banner plastered across the front.

If you're into Secret Invasion you need to be on this, in issue form because some things need to be read in a time sensitive manner.

Good lord, Captain Marvel #3 tips the Secret Invasion hand in a big way next week. And the series doesn't get the SI:I label until issue #4. So with what all was in the previous issues I'm puzzling over what will be in #4 that they feel does warrant the trade dress. When the trade paperback hits there should be a giant Secret Invasion banner plastered across the front.

If you're into Secret Invasion you need to be on this, in issue form because some things need to be read in a time sensitive manner.

Can you please tell me what it is? I can't wait till next week I NEED TO KNOW! Or if you don't want to tell that's fine too I'll see if I can persaude my LCS guy to hand over his retail copy but I doubt it.

Can you please tell me what it is? I can't wait till next week I NEED TO KNOW! Or if you don't want to tell that's fine too I'll see if I can persaude my LCS guy to hand over his retail copy but I doubt it.

I'm not going to say more than I have. That's just how I am, in case you didn't know. Its not a "big reveal" so much as asking some good questions (some concepts we had put out here, but not recently) and laying out some ground work for how invasive Invasion is and how difficult it is going to be to do anything about it.

I'm not going to say more than I have. That's just how I am, in case you didn't know. Its not a "big reveal" so much as asking some good questions (some concepts we had put out here, but not recently) and laying out some ground work for how invasive Invasion is and how difficult it is going to be to do anything about it.

Well I'll just wait then. Do we get anymore insight as to why Mar-Vell was putting that painting of Alexander on his floor?

Bah.

Why bring it up? The thread is for generating ideas. :D

Bah.

Why bring it up? The thread is for generating ideas. :D

This is why I want to work at my LCS advance copies. That and the interesting people you meet.